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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Issues Impacting the Taxi Industry: Discussion (14 Sep 2022)

Gerry Horkan: So this is the old hackney term, is it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Issues Impacting the Taxi Industry: Discussion (14 Sep 2022)

Gerry Horkan: Is that as prevalent as it was?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Issues Impacting the Taxi Industry: Discussion (14 Sep 2022)

Gerry Horkan: Are there very few hackney licences now in existence?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Issues Impacting the Taxi Industry: Discussion (14 Sep 2022)

Gerry Horkan: How many would there be?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Issues Impacting the Taxi Industry: Discussion (14 Sep 2022)

Gerry Horkan: So we have about 18,000 taxi drivers registered, albeit some of them inactive, and only in the hundreds for hackney. There is no real advantage in being a hackney now.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Issues Impacting the Taxi Industry: Discussion (14 Sep 2022)

Gerry Horkan: There are no new hackney licences so they will over time vanish.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Issues Impacting the Taxi Industry: Discussion (14 Sep 2022)

Gerry Horkan: Is that a much cheaper process than a taxi licence?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Issues Impacting the Taxi Industry: Discussion (14 Sep 2022)

Gerry Horkan: What is the difference?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Issues Impacting the Taxi Industry: Discussion (14 Sep 2022)

Gerry Horkan: Would the app still work for those people?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Issues Impacting the Taxi Industry: Discussion (14 Sep 2022)

Gerry Horkan: In the old days, you could pick up on the street if you were a taxi and the hackney had to be rung. Before mobile phones, that was more complicated.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Issues Impacting the Taxi Industry: Discussion (14 Sep 2022)

Gerry Horkan: The reason you might do that is the business is light and it is a cheaper process but you cannot pick up on the street so that is a disadvantage.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Issues Impacting the Taxi Industry: Discussion (14 Sep 2022)

Gerry Horkan: A good few points have been raised by others and I do not want to go back over them. It seems there is a litany of points. There was a taxi regulator and that has been absorbed into the NTA over time. Has that system made it worse? Were all the problems just as bad when there was a taxi regulator?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Issues Impacting the Taxi Industry: Discussion (14 Sep 2022)

Gerry Horkan: It has not improved it, but it has not made it worse either.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Issues Impacting the Taxi Industry: Discussion (14 Sep 2022)

Gerry Horkan: I think he may have appeared in front of our committee, myself and Deputy O'Donnell, because I think he went up into the-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Issues Impacting the Taxi Industry: Discussion (14 Sep 2022)

Gerry Horkan: We will not impugn people who are not here to defend themselves. It did not improve the situation, is what you are saying.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Issues Impacting the Taxi Industry: Discussion (14 Sep 2022)

Gerry Horkan: The move to the NTA, you would have hoped, would make things better. Are there specific people in the NTA? Is there a person in the NTA?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Issues Impacting the Taxi Industry: Discussion (14 Sep 2022)

Gerry Horkan: This is useful for us. All of the witnesses have raised their points and they are all valid points. They are certainly points of concern. What the witnesses might do is write to the committee. We will have the National Transport Authority before the committee next week to respond to this. If the witnesses were sitting in those seats next week what questions would they ask? I know their...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Issues Impacting the Taxi Industry: Discussion (14 Sep 2022)

Gerry Horkan: I thought it was around 2002. The process happened 23 years ago. I was not aware that people could not transfer licences until somebody died.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Issues Impacting the Taxi Industry: Discussion (14 Sep 2022)

Gerry Horkan: People are living longer. There is an expectation that somebody will live to be 89 or 90. That person would not be driving. If people want to keep a licence they have to keep insuring a vehicle.

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