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Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Supplementary)
Vote 36 - Defence (Supplementary)
(3 Dec 2014)

David Stanton: We are moving away from the subject of the meeting.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Supplementary)
Vote 36 - Defence (Supplementary)
(3 Dec 2014)

David Stanton: We need to focus on the Estimates.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Supplementary)
Vote 36 - Defence (Supplementary)
(3 Dec 2014)

David Stanton: I will let the Deputy speak when I am finished. Policy is a separate issue from the Estimates process. If we stray into policy matters, we will be here for the rest of the day.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Supplementary)
Vote 36 - Defence (Supplementary)
(3 Dec 2014)

David Stanton: There is a saying that if one follows the money, one will find out the information one seeks.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Supplementary)
Vote 36 - Defence (Supplementary)
(3 Dec 2014)

David Stanton: We might have time to discuss the broader issues later.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Supplementary)
Vote 36 - Defence (Supplementary)
(3 Dec 2014)

David Stanton: The Minister referred to the first line reserve. Will he elaborate on numbers and costs in that regard?

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Supplementary)
Vote 36 - Defence (Supplementary)
(3 Dec 2014)

David Stanton: What type of expenditure are we looking at in this area?

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Supplementary)
Vote 36 - Defence (Supplementary)
(3 Dec 2014)

David Stanton: I assume those figures do not take into account the savings that are being made.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Supplementary)
Vote 36 - Defence (Supplementary)
(3 Dec 2014)

David Stanton: How is the €47,000 figure for the first line reserve accounted for? How many people undergo training each year, for example?

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Supplementary)
Vote 36 - Defence (Supplementary)
(3 Dec 2014)

David Stanton: To clarify, there are 200 people in the first line reserve and they all receive an annual gratuity?

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Supplementary)
Vote 36 - Defence (Supplementary)
(3 Dec 2014)

David Stanton: How much is the annual gratuity these individuals receive? It must be very small.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Supplementary)
Vote 36 - Defence (Supplementary)
(3 Dec 2014)

David Stanton: What do they do for that money?

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Supplementary)
Vote 36 - Defence (Supplementary)
(3 Dec 2014)

David Stanton: There probably is a whole other debate to be had around these issues when the White Paper is published.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Supplementary)
Vote 36 - Defence (Supplementary)
(3 Dec 2014)

David Stanton: Will the Minister confirm that there is no change under subhead A6, which is pay and allowances for chaplains and clergymen?

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Supplementary)
Vote 36 - Defence (Supplementary)
(3 Dec 2014)

David Stanton: Subhead A7 covers pay and so on for civilians attached to units. Will the Minister elaborate on that?

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Supplementary)
Vote 36 - Defence (Supplementary)
(3 Dec 2014)

David Stanton: We will move on. The next subhead is A.8 - Defensive Equipment and there is no change in it. Moving on to the next subhead, A.9 - Air Corps - Equipment and Expenses, there is no change in it. The next subhead is A.10 - Military Transport and there is no change in the original Estimate and no Supplementary Estimate has been sought. The next subhead is A.11 - Naval Service: Equipment and...

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Supplementary)
Vote 36 - Defence (Supplementary)
(3 Dec 2014)

David Stanton: It is probably the subhead on military transport but no Supplementary Estimate has been sought under it.. There is no change in the original Estimate that was discussed last January. We are not being asked to do anything with it.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Supplementary)
Vote 36 - Defence (Supplementary)
(3 Dec 2014)

David Stanton: We will move on to A.11 - Naval Service: Equipment and Expenses. There is a large Supplementary Estimate of €32.8 million under this subhead. Do any Deputies want to ask a question on that?

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Supplementary)
Vote 36 - Defence (Supplementary)
(3 Dec 2014)

David Stanton: This is not, strictly speaking, part of the Estimates.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Supplementary)
Vote 36 - Defence (Supplementary)
(3 Dec 2014)

David Stanton: That is a new policy issue for another day.

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