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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Imelda Munster: Mr. Lynch knew about it, his senior executives knew about it and he misled this committee.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Imelda Munster: Mr. Lynch knew and he misled this committee.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Imelda Munster: You did mislead this committee.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Imelda Munster: It is the opinion of the majority of members and we sat through it all. Mr. Bakhurst said a few minutes ago that he had confidence in his assistant director general.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Imelda Munster: From what we have been given us, we have had to extract information.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Imelda Munster: This shows that Mr. Lynch knew about it, the senior executives knew about it because of the email sent on 20 February, and Mr. Lynch told this committee last week that he did not and his senior executives did not.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Imelda Munster: We were given inaccurate information relating to who knew and who did not know and that is clear as mud. Mr. Bakhurst said a few minutes ago that he has confidence, and I am sure he will not retract that instantly, but what I am talking about is instilling confidence in the public. Based on a lot of what we have witnessed over the past number of weeks, I would not be very confident moving...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Imelda Munster: What consequences will those people face? I am talking about people who raised false invoices, who engaged in a separate commercial deal and underwrote that deal, which they had absolutely no business doing and which cost the public purse a substantial amount, and who concealed those payments through a barter account that went to Astus, and then to the CMS Marketing account? The whole...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Imelda Munster: That have stepped down. Does Mr. Bakhurst not mean they have stepped down and moved aside?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Imelda Munster: Right. Are other members of the executive board who have been taken off the board still employed?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Imelda Munster: Mr. Collins, for example.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Imelda Munster: Mr. Collins, in fairness knew absolutely nothing and was oblivious to all of this going on. When we look back-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Imelda Munster: Yes. Previously, when we questioned him about the payments, he had said that he would not have known about them, and the reason he would not have known was because it was either concealed or hidden. When I said that the person who processed those invoices and raised those false invoices was sitting beside him, which was the commercial director, Mr. Collins responded and said that she was...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Imelda Munster: It is madness.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Imelda Munster: I would like a quick observation to Mr. Bakhurst. It is fair to say he will be judged on delivery and on the speed of that delivery and change and that goes right across-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Imelda Munster: Can we ask the Comptroller and Auditor General to clarify that information?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Imelda Munster: Mr. Bakhurst said in his opening statement that RTÉ would not be brokering or facilitating separate commercial deals into the future. That is welcome. He also spoke about the barter accounts and how the fees were too high at 35%. We questioned it at committee, although I do not know which hearing it was. The fee was 35% and the normal rate would have been approximately 15%. From...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Imelda Munster: The fees are over and above what is standard. I do not know who negotiated or agreed to it but it is costing-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Imelda Munster: It is over a third. When I asked the commercial director about the 35%, she said that approximately 15% is the standard.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Imelda Munster: It just seems foolish to fork out that amount of money because it is RTÉ that is losing the money. If it is something that can be addressed, it must be. We are all exhausted with all of this but I am still curious about the emails Noel Kelly sent to us. Both the Committee of Public Accounts and the Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport and Media requested the whole shooting...