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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Apr 2021)

Brian Stanley: No apologies have been received. I welcome everyone to our online meeting. Due to the current situation regarding Covid-19, only the clerk to the committee, support staff and I are in the committee room. Members of the committee are attending remotely from within the precincts of Leinster House. This is due to the constitutional requirement that in order to participate in public...

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
(27 Apr 2021)

Brian Stanley: Today we will engage with officials from the Department of Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and the Media, Raidió Teilifís Éireann, RTÉ, and the Broadcasting Authority of Ireland, BAI, to examine matters including Exchequer funding of RTÉ in the context of programme B, broadcasting, in respect of the 2019 Appropriation Account for Vote 29 –...

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
(27 Apr 2021)

Brian Stanley: I thank Ms Forbes for her opening statement. We are having some technical problems with Microsoft Teams and are trying to resolve them. I ask the Comptroller and Auditor General to make his opening statement. Deputy Hourigan may still be having problems getting into the meeting. We will persevere with that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
(27 Apr 2021)

Brian Stanley: I thank Ms Forbes, but we are going over time. I call Deputy Devlin.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
(27 Apr 2021)

Brian Stanley: I thank the Deputy. Time up.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
(27 Apr 2021)

Brian Stanley: I will let Deputy Devlin back in a second time. Hopefully, we will get around to that. I call Deputy Verona Murphy.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
(27 Apr 2021)

Brian Stanley: I ask Ms Forbes to keep her answers brief as we have to watch the time.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
(27 Apr 2021)

Brian Stanley: Time is up, Deputy.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
(27 Apr 2021)

Brian Stanley: Briefly.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
(27 Apr 2021)

Brian Stanley: The Deputy has one minute remaining.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
(27 Apr 2021)

Brian Stanley: The Deputy's time is up.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
(27 Apr 2021)

Brian Stanley: I have some questions myself. I will try to allow people in for a second round of just one question each because we are tied for time. Unfortunately, the two hours go too quickly. I thank members for the questions they have asked so far and the witnesses for their replies. I wish to ask Ms Forbes about the 433 contractors. Some 157 were found to be in the medium to high category of...

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
(27 Apr 2021)

Brian Stanley: I thank Ms Cusack. Has the Eversheds Sutherland report been passed on to Revenue? A simple yes-no answer will do.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
(27 Apr 2021)

Brian Stanley: It has been passed on to Revenue. A witness mentioned earlier that there is a Revenue audit. Has any money that was owed retrospectively been paid to Revenue by RTÉ?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
(27 Apr 2021)

Brian Stanley: Has any money been paid to date?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
(27 Apr 2021)

Brian Stanley: In regard to revenue that might be judged to be owed on the basis of the Eversheds Sutherland report and Revenue's examination of that. Has any money been paid back at this stage to Revenue?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
(27 Apr 2021)

Brian Stanley: Okay. I do not want to go into this in too much depth, but I wish to focus on the assessment by Eversheds Sutherland of the status of workers. A significant part of RTÉ's income goes on staff, and that is all to the good. When the report was being carried out, Eversheds Sutherland would have spoken to management and other stakeholders, but was each individual worker on a...

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
(27 Apr 2021)

Brian Stanley: But did they speak to each worker?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
(27 Apr 2021)

Brian Stanley: That would seem to depart from the practice. If we take the case of CitySprint in Britain, a more detailed look was done in the case of each worker. I would have thought the worker would be central to this process and that all workers would have been interviewed.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
(27 Apr 2021)

Brian Stanley: I thank Ms Cusack.

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