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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Aggressive Begging from a Public Order Perspective: Discussion (3 Dec 2014)

David Stanton: We will get that answer and then come back to the next question.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Aggressive Begging from a Public Order Perspective: Discussion (3 Dec 2014)

David Stanton: As Mr. Harte has said, it is complex and has many variables.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Aggressive Begging from a Public Order Perspective: Discussion (3 Dec 2014)

David Stanton: We have covered this already.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Aggressive Begging from a Public Order Perspective: Discussion (3 Dec 2014)

David Stanton: That is if the aggressive element was not there and it was passive begging alone.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Aggressive Begging from a Public Order Perspective: Discussion (3 Dec 2014)

David Stanton: Does Senator Zappone have a second question?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Aggressive Begging from a Public Order Perspective: Discussion (3 Dec 2014)

David Stanton: A number of issues have been raised. One is the need for quantitative and qualitative research in the area. Another concerns legislation and the need to strengthen and take the vagueness out of the Act. I invite the group, if it wishes, to revert to us on what it would like changed and how, for example, to specify sections which should be removed or inserted in the Act or how they should...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Aggressive Begging from a Public Order Perspective: Discussion (3 Dec 2014)

David Stanton: We may invite representatives of the Garda Síochána here at a later point, to carry on this particular piece of work.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Aggressive Begging from a Public Order Perspective: Discussion (3 Dec 2014)

David Stanton: I am not sure if anyone has any information on this but there were reports in the not too distant past in which it was indicated that this kind of begging can be quite lucrative. Some indications are that it is very lucrative. I am not sure if there is any information on how much a person might hope to earn in the course of a day.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Aggressive Begging from a Public Order Perspective: Discussion (3 Dec 2014)

David Stanton: Only anecdotal information is available. I have seen reports where it appears it can be quite lucrative and organised. I thank the witnesses for being here today and giving their valuable time to help us in this work. We will continue to work on this issue. I invite the witnesses to keep in contact with us and to come back to us with any written proposals they might have, for example, to...

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Supplementary)
Vote 36 - Defence (Supplementary)
(3 Dec 2014)

David Stanton: I thank the Minister. I apologise for being late but I was at the National Missing Persons Day commemorations at Farmleigh House. It was a poignant and moving event. I thank Deputy Farrell for standing in for me. Our practice is to go through each subhead individually as that gives members the opportunity to comment on each subhead. We will start with Vote 35 - Army Pensions. Subhead...

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Supplementary)
Vote 36 - Defence (Supplementary)
(3 Dec 2014)

David Stanton: The provision is €210.62 million. Will the Minister go through it?

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Supplementary)
Vote 36 - Defence (Supplementary)
(3 Dec 2014)

David Stanton: This is a Supplementary Estimate. Is it €210,000?

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Supplementary)
Vote 36 - Defence (Supplementary)
(3 Dec 2014)

David Stanton: Is that attached to the original Estimate?

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Supplementary)
Vote 36 - Defence (Supplementary)
(3 Dec 2014)

David Stanton: What are we being asked to approve?

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Supplementary)
Vote 36 - Defence (Supplementary)
(3 Dec 2014)

David Stanton: That is subhead A2 covered. We will move to subhead A3, which deals with allowances and gratuities in respect of former members of the Defence Forces.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Supplementary)
Vote 36 - Defence (Supplementary)
(3 Dec 2014)

David Stanton: Is it correct that there is a saving on this Vote of €1.42 million?

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Supplementary)
Vote 36 - Defence (Supplementary)
(3 Dec 2014)

David Stanton: Could the Minister indicate where the saving has been made?

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Supplementary)
Vote 36 - Defence (Supplementary)
(3 Dec 2014)

David Stanton: Does that mean that the original Estimate of €9.4 million was an overestimate of €1.42 million? Did people die or stop claiming in the meantime?

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Supplementary)
Vote 36 - Defence (Supplementary)
(3 Dec 2014)

David Stanton: We will move on to the next subhead, which is payments to dependants of veterans of the War of Independence. Am I correct in saying there is no change in the original Estimate?

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Supplementary)
Vote 36 - Defence (Supplementary)
(3 Dec 2014)

David Stanton: We will move on to compensation payments. There does not seem to be any major change. The payments relate to special lump sum compensation by the Department for service-related deaths of members of the Permanent Defence Force while serving overseas with the United Nations and certain other missions.

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