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Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(19 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: This poor governance went on right across different Departments and agencies. People want that culture to be changed. I am not referring to individuals but that the culture needs to be changed.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(19 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: Will Ms Frances Spillane give a copy of it to the committee?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(19 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: Has St. Vincent’s come back on its compliance issues yet?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(19 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: I am waiting for the response and I would like to see it today. The committee will be here again tomorrow to consider this response. I thank the witnesses for attending the committee. I appreciate it has been a long day but they have been very helpful. I hope we will not see Mr. Barry O’Brien again before Christmas.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(19 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: I wish the delegations a Happy Christmas and thank them for their co-operation. I also thank the press and the members.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: This is a special meeting to deal with NAMA and the Department of Finance. Deputy Deasy will be the lead speaker, followed by Deputy O'Donnell, and members can contribute and ask questions afterwards. Before we call the witnesses, I advise the committee that I made contact with St. Vincent's Hospital, which has agreed to send representatives before the committee. I suggest that we invite...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: I contacted St. Vincent's on foot of the lack of content in the letter and regarding the issues we were trying to address yesterday. Arising from that, and bearing in mind what Deputy Harris just said, the St. Vincent's representatives have agreed to come in. We are suggesting 16 January, the same day as Mr. Conlon. We will proceed from there. They may submit papers to the committee. I...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
NAMA - Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
(20 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: I remind members, witnesses and those in the Visitors Gallery to please turn off their mobile telephones as they interfere with the sound quality of the transmission of the meeting. Witnesses are protected by absolute privilege in respect of the evidence they are to give the committee. If they are directed by the committee to cease giving evidence on a particular matter and they continue to...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
NAMA - Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
(20 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: I thank Mr. Daly and Mr. McDonagh for their statements. May we publish the statements?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
NAMA - Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
(20 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: While I understand Mr. Moran is not scheduled to make an opening statement, perhaps he might outline the role of the Department of Finance in relation to NAMA and clarify the issue raised in the Dáil this week in relation to the freedom of information request and the withheld documentation relative to that request.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
NAMA - Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
(20 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: I apologise for interrupting Mr. Moran, but somebody's mobile phone is interfering with the broadcasting system.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
NAMA - Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
(20 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: Does Mr. Moran believe those documents might me helpful in the work of the Committee of Public Accounts on this issue and will he clarify the suggestion there was inappropriate contact by him with people wishing to purchase properties?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
NAMA - Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
(20 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: The purpose of this meeting is to bring clarity to a number of issues raised in the Dáil and Seanad and in the media. I hope you and NAMA would take advantage of this meeting to allay any fears that might exist in the public domain arising from all those public comments and to clarify matters. Again, I believe you should reconsider the matter of those e-mails and determine whether they...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
NAMA - Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
(20 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: It gives him the opportunity to say that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
NAMA - Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
(20 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: I thank Deputy Deasy and call Deputy O'Donnell.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
NAMA - Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
(20 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: I thank Mr. Daly, Mr. McDonagh and Mr. Moran for attending. Their statements and responses to questions have been thorough and helpful. I appreciate that they have come before us for this purpose given the work the committee has done with the agency and intends to do in future. I have some brief questions which develop on the earlier discussion. Mr. McDonagh indicated there are two cases...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
NAMA - Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
(20 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: I call Deputy Shane Ross.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
NAMA - Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
(20 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: Let me clarify some points arising from what we have heard this morning. Again, I go back to my opening remarks which were aimed at ensuring NAMA and the Department of Finance would address many of the issues in the public domain to allay fears, restore trust and limit the damage, if any damage had been done. Mr. Daly has dealt with this in very strong terms in the context of how he feels...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
NAMA - Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
(20 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: That is disclosure.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
NAMA - Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
(20 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: There was no basis for the complaint.

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