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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Jun 2017)

Shane Cassells: That is good to see, leaving aside anything else that has been discussed here.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Jun 2017)

Shane Cassells: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Shane Cassells: I welcome the director general of the HSE and the other witnesses. As Deputy Connolly said, three specific items are being addressed in terms of the clarification that has been provided by the HSE. However, in our discussions this morning, we must remember that these are three specific items concerning the care of a human being. That sometimes gets forgotten in the context of these...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Shane Cassells: The organisation that Mr. O'Brien heads up-----

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Shane Cassells: I will try to explore that in a different way. In terms of the acceptance of underfunding, does Mr. O'Brien accept that repeated communications beginning in 2009 pointed out that insufficient funding was being provided for the level of care and psychological care required and for the trauma this person suffered, and that double the amount of funding was needed? Does Mr. O'Brien accept that...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Shane Cassells: I believe there possibly was.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Shane Cassells: That is correct.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Shane Cassells: I believe that is the case and that the funding provided was deemed sufficient in spite of the service provider having pointed out that it required double the amount over that period. Does Mr. O'Brien accept that that communication exists and that it was-----

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Shane Cassells: I will seek clarity on that point. Leaving it aside, does Mr. O'Brien accept that there was communication from the service provider that stated that double the amount of funding for care was required?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Shane Cassells: We are again going round the houses to try to get to simple facts, as was the case with the very first question regarding written statements. If Mr. O'Brien deemed that the money provided was not sufficient, there are obviously reasons it was not. That is what I am trying to get to.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Shane Cassells: Why was that the case?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Shane Cassells: I know that. However, in terms of why this was done or not provided, there were concerns from people in the small voluntary agency that Mr. O'Brien will not name that funding for the work-----

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Shane Cassells: That is fine.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Shane Cassells: That is fine. That is no problem.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Shane Cassells: We can agree. That is fine.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Shane Cassells: That is fine. Okay. This agency that cannot be named------

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Shane Cassells: Should not be named. I will use Mr. O'Brien's language as it is a better way of doing business. There were concerns in the small voluntary agency that cannot be named that funding for its work might be negatively impacted by virtue of a protected disclosure made. Minutes of the HSE meeting held on 12 November 2009 discuss the need to remind the small agency that it was entirely reliant on...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Shane Cassells: Is Mr. O'Brien willing to explore whether there is any merit in that statement?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Shane Cassells: I do not. It is evident from this morning's evidence that there is a need for expediency in the delivery of the Deloitte report.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Shane Cassells: All members look forward to the publication of the external review. I thank Mr. O'Brien.

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