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Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: I am not asking for her interpretation. I am asking Mr. Poole for a statement of fact and for his view.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Could we have the ratios of the amounts?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: I will leave it at that for the moment but I might come back in.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: With respect, it is a completely inadequate response. We were promised transparency and it was stated that Rehab would deal candidly with any matters raised.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: I want to revisit the issue of the coffin manufacturing in light of a piece of information that has come to me in the course of the meeting. I am happy to provide it to the clerk, if appropriate, so as to share it with other members. We have established the very strange turn of events where a family relationship was declared in November 2009 with the company not established until December...

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: I thank the witness. A copy of an e-mail has been passed to me which seems to have been sent from Mr. Horgan to Mr. Poole on 18 December that year. The subject line is "coffin business plan", which tallies with Mr. Poole's account. It states "Attached please find further document for discussion at our meeting this afternoon". It is interesting that not only was it sent to Mr. Poole but it...

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Pardon?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Where did Ms Kerins state that?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: I am not aware of that. This just gets stranger at every turn. Does the witness know how this looks? To the innocent eye, it looks as if this business was set up specifically with family members of Ms Kerins, along with Mr. Flannery, in order to make a profit as an intermediary in the supply of these coffins. It suggests that perhaps people at the most senior level of Rehab regarded the...

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Does that trouble Mr. Kerr?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Is there a means of getting to the bottom of this matter for us?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Will Mr. Kerr report to us?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Will there be a trawl of documentation to establish whether this e-mail is isolated? Could Mr. Poole shed some light on the matter?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: The meeting was on 18 December 2009, but who attended it?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Ms Kerins did not attend.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Is Mr. Poole absolutely certain of that?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Will Mr. Poole check that, in as much as he can?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Does Mr. Poole have any contact with Mr. Horgan?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Could he check it with Mr. Horgan and ask for his recollection of the meeting?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Mr. Kerr stated damage has been done to Rehab. Who has done the damage?

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