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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Third Report of the Citizens' Assembly: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Nov 2018)

Seán Sherlock: I accept that. I would like the professor's opinion.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Third Report of the Citizens' Assembly: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Nov 2018)

Seán Sherlock: I do not understand the third point.

Committee on Public Petitions: Business of Joint Committee (21 Nov 2018)

Seán Sherlock: Apologies have been received from Deputy Dara Murphy.

Committee on Public Petitions: Business of Joint Committee (21 Nov 2018)

Seán Sherlock: I thank the Senator. I propose that we go into private session to deal with some matters before resuming in public session. Is that agreed? Agreed.

Committee on Public Petitions: Decisions on Public Petitions Received (21 Nov 2018)

Seán Sherlock: We are considering public petitions. The first petition for consideration is Petition No. P00028/18. We propose to forward a copy of the response from the Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment to the petitioner and deem the petition inadmissible under Standing Order 111C(2)(b). Is that agreed? Agreed. Next is Petition No. P00034/18. We propose to forward a copy...

Committee on Public Petitions: Decisions on Public Petitions Received (21 Nov 2018)

Seán Sherlock: I think there is unanimity on this issue. We should keep Mr. Darryl O'Callaghan's petition open. I am getting a direction to the effect that we should correspond with Dublin City Council. I suggest we say to it that we do not accept the correspondence it has furnished to the committee. It states in it that the traditional location for the Christmas lights switching-on ceremony was on...

Committee on Public Petitions: Decisions on Public Petitions Received (21 Nov 2018)

Seán Sherlock: There is no cross-city Luas line in Cork.

Committee on Public Petitions: Decisions on Public Petitions Received (21 Nov 2018)

Seán Sherlock: There are no cars in Cork either in that area, but sin scĂ©al eile. It is clearly the view of the committee that it has been progressive in seeking to make suggestions. Senator Buttimer's suggestion is laudable and one that could be communicated to Dublin City Council. The petition remains open and we will correspond with the council. We thank the petitioner, Mr. Darryl O'Callaghan,...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance Issues in Scouting Ireland: Discussion (21 Nov 2018)

Seán Sherlock: I welcome the Minister here today. She has given us some very devastating news based on what she heard late last night. We heard that there are 71 alleged abusers historically and 108 survivors that we know about. It is pertinent for us to empathise with the fact that there are potentially more than 108 people out there who are potentially traumatised by their experiences. When Mr....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance Issues in Scouting Ireland: Discussion (21 Nov 2018)

Seán Sherlock: A lot of our focus in the main meeting of the committee was on the barrister's report on the alleged event that took place in 2009. This new information is shocking.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance Issues in Scouting Ireland: Discussion (21 Nov 2018)

Seán Sherlock: I am viscerally shocked by the information we have received today. I want to get clarity in my own mind that the Minister is satisfied that those files have now been sent to the Garda. Given that the Minister only received the information late last night I would like to know what has occurred, procedurally, in the less than 12 hours or so since she has been in receipt of the information. I...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance Issues in Scouting Ireland: Discussion (21 Nov 2018)

Seán Sherlock: If the Minister is telling us there are 71 alleged abusers and that there are 108 victims, is it fair to assume it is only a sample? I am making that assumption and I could be wrong. I would like to be corrected or educated on whether that is the case. If it is only a sample, the question then arises as to whether the Minister or Department has been informed about whether this is...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance Issues in Scouting Ireland: Discussion (21 Nov 2018)

Seán Sherlock: To try to assist my understanding of this, is it safe to assume that in Larch Hill, there are a number of files in addition to the numbers we are talking about here today?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance Issues in Scouting Ireland: Discussion (21 Nov 2018)

Seán Sherlock: It is pertinent to this because what it means is that what the Minister is presenting us with today - to speak to the Minister's bona fides - is that the figures she has articulated to us are exactly the number articulated to her as Minister.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance Issues in Scouting Ireland: Discussion (21 Nov 2018)

Seán Sherlock: We have made a great deal of progress since the witnesses' appearance in May. At that point, there was much that we did not know. Mr. Elliot had said at that stage that records were "kept securely in fireproof filing cabinets in Larch Hill" and the Garda and Tusla had been informed about that. We are a number of months on in the process and we have a picture of the number of alleged...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance Issues in Scouting Ireland: Discussion (21 Nov 2018)

Seán Sherlock: There are precedents in cases brought to the DPP where nolle prosequiwas the determination of that office but there was an acknowledgement by the organisation that abuse took place. Is Scouting Ireland discussing the possibility that some fund will be made available for financial compensation or for services to be wrapped around the person in question?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance Issues in Scouting Ireland: Discussion (21 Nov 2018)

Seán Sherlock: Is litigation outstanding?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance Issues in Scouting Ireland: Discussion (21 Nov 2018)

Seán Sherlock: Can Ms Kelly say how many cases are outstanding?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance Issues in Scouting Ireland: Discussion (21 Nov 2018)

Seán Sherlock: But Ms Kelly acknowledges that there are cases outstanding specifically in respect of alleged abuse.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance Issues in Scouting Ireland: Discussion (21 Nov 2018)

Seán Sherlock: I would like further engagement with the committee regarding progress on those matters. The second issue is the complaints policy. Ms Kelly's intervention deals with three thematic areas: safeguarding; accountability and disciplinary policy. As a member of this committee, I wish the new board well. The mood music has changed on ensuring that there is a new transparency in how matters...

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