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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Judicial Appointments: Discussion (26 Nov 2014)

David Stanton: That is an issue we have come across before, namely, who picks the people and who does the choosing?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Judicial Appointments: Discussion (26 Nov 2014)

David Stanton: Can the witness make a brief comment on how the JAAB is constituted and the turnover of the members of it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Judicial Appointments: Discussion (26 Nov 2014)

David Stanton: How often are they appointed?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Judicial Appointments: Discussion (26 Nov 2014)

David Stanton: I can see from the interaction and interest shown that this is a fascinating topic. The presentations were fascinating, interesting and provocative, as Deputy McGrath stated. We will need the wisdom of Solomon to go beyond here.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Judicial Appointments: Discussion (26 Nov 2014)

David Stanton: I thank the witnesses for being here and for giving their valuable time and expertise. They have given us much food for thought.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Supplementary)
(26 Nov 2014)

David Stanton: All mobile telephones should be switched off as they cause interference with the recording system, even in silent mode. This meeting has been convened to consider the Supplementary Estimates for Vote 20 - Garda Síochána, Vote 21 - Prisons and Vote 22 - Courts Service. I propose that the committee considers the Supplementary Estimates together. I thank the Minister for Justice...

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Supplementary)
(26 Nov 2014)

David Stanton: I thank the Minister. We have agreed to take each subhead individually. We will go through them as efficiently as we can. If members want to sum up, having heard everything, that might be an efficient way of conducting our business. Is that agreed? Agreed. We will start with Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána. We note that the original Estimate at the start of the year was...

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Supplementary)
(26 Nov 2014)

David Stanton: We will come to that subhead.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Supplementary)
(26 Nov 2014)

David Stanton: Yes, one at a time.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Supplementary)
(26 Nov 2014)

David Stanton: The Minister referred to additional gardaí. Will she comment further on that issue?

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Supplementary)
(26 Nov 2014)

David Stanton: This subhead covers both groups.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Supplementary)
(26 Nov 2014)

David Stanton: That figure is covered in a separate subhead. We are discussing salaries, wages and allowances.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Supplementary)
(26 Nov 2014)

David Stanton: We are dealing with the Supplementary Estimates for 2014 and that question will probably be dealt with in January.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Supplementary)
(26 Nov 2014)

David Stanton: That is a policy issue.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Supplementary)
(26 Nov 2014)

David Stanton: Has there been any scientific analysis of the optimum number of gardaí? When we were in Scotland, we were asked from where the numbers came. How many gardaí do we really need? Who knows - we may need fewer or more.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Supplementary)
(26 Nov 2014)

David Stanton: Does the Minister wish to respond?

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Supplementary)
(26 Nov 2014)

David Stanton: I remind members that we must confine the debate to the Supplementary Estimates.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Supplementary)
(26 Nov 2014)

David Stanton: I am sorry, but we are dealing with subhead A1 - salaries, wages and allowances.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Supplementary)
(26 Nov 2014)

David Stanton: I thank the Minister. We should focus in the subhead on the €65 million and the purpose for which it has been allocated, rather than getting into a discussion on policy and other issues, which is a debate for another forum. I am told that we are supposed to focus on figures, outturns and inputs, rather than getting into broader debates.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Supplementary)
(26 Nov 2014)

David Stanton: That matter relates to subhead A2. We can discuss the issue raised by the Deputy when we reach it.

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