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Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2020: Housing Agency
Financial Statements 2021: Approved Housing Bodies Regulatory Authority
Chapter 7: Housing Agency Revolving Acquisition Fund
Section 2 Report – Unauthorised Release of Funds from the Central Fund of the Exchequer
(19 Jan 2023)

Matt Carthy: What does “shortly” mean?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2020: Housing Agency
Financial Statements 2021: Approved Housing Bodies Regulatory Authority
Chapter 7: Housing Agency Revolving Acquisition Fund
Section 2 Report – Unauthorised Release of Funds from the Central Fund of the Exchequer
(19 Jan 2023)

Matt Carthy: In the meantime, the Housing Agency sought expressions of interest last year. How many expressions of interest were received?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2020: Housing Agency
Financial Statements 2021: Approved Housing Bodies Regulatory Authority
Chapter 7: Housing Agency Revolving Acquisition Fund
Section 2 Report – Unauthorised Release of Funds from the Central Fund of the Exchequer
(19 Jan 2023)

Matt Carthy: All of my questions flow from that. To clarify, who receives the expressions of interest?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2020: Housing Agency
Financial Statements 2021: Approved Housing Bodies Regulatory Authority
Chapter 7: Housing Agency Revolving Acquisition Fund
Section 2 Report – Unauthorised Release of Funds from the Central Fund of the Exchequer
(19 Jan 2023)

Matt Carthy: To clarify, in case there are issues around commercial sensitivity, the question I am asking is how many expressions of interest were received. I am not asking for the details of those expressions. Essentially, as I understood it, the closing date for receipt of proposals was last June and I am asking for the numbers at this point.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2020: Housing Agency
Financial Statements 2021: Approved Housing Bodies Regulatory Authority
Chapter 7: Housing Agency Revolving Acquisition Fund
Section 2 Report – Unauthorised Release of Funds from the Central Fund of the Exchequer
(19 Jan 2023)

Matt Carthy: Has the Department instructed the Housing Agency not to divulge that information?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2020: Housing Agency
Financial Statements 2021: Approved Housing Bodies Regulatory Authority
Chapter 7: Housing Agency Revolving Acquisition Fund
Section 2 Report – Unauthorised Release of Funds from the Central Fund of the Exchequer
(19 Jan 2023)

Matt Carthy: To clarify, and this is a point to Mr. Jordan and the Department specifically, this is the Committee of Public Accounts. The Housing Agency is administering a scheme. A member of the Committee of Public Accounts at a hearing is asking Mr. Jordan how many people applied for that scheme. I am not asking for any of the further detail. According to the response we are receiving, the...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2020: Housing Agency
Financial Statements 2021: Approved Housing Bodies Regulatory Authority
Chapter 7: Housing Agency Revolving Acquisition Fund
Section 2 Report – Unauthorised Release of Funds from the Central Fund of the Exchequer
(19 Jan 2023)

Matt Carthy: The question has been put to Mr. Jordan as the Accounting Officer in the Housing Agency, in regard to a scheme that it is administering, as to how many people applied for that scheme. Mr. Jordan's position is that he is not providing that information.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2020: Housing Agency
Financial Statements 2021: Approved Housing Bodies Regulatory Authority
Chapter 7: Housing Agency Revolving Acquisition Fund
Section 2 Report – Unauthorised Release of Funds from the Central Fund of the Exchequer
(19 Jan 2023)

Matt Carthy: Why?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2020: Housing Agency
Financial Statements 2021: Approved Housing Bodies Regulatory Authority
Chapter 7: Housing Agency Revolving Acquisition Fund
Section 2 Report – Unauthorised Release of Funds from the Central Fund of the Exchequer
(19 Jan 2023)

Matt Carthy: So it is a political decision.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2020: Housing Agency
Financial Statements 2021: Approved Housing Bodies Regulatory Authority
Chapter 7: Housing Agency Revolving Acquisition Fund
Section 2 Report – Unauthorised Release of Funds from the Central Fund of the Exchequer
(19 Jan 2023)

Matt Carthy: I asked Mr. Jordan whether the Department had instructed him not to divulge that information because it is very strange. If a local authority is carrying out a scheme which requires expressions of interest, it does not have to seek the approval of the Department in order to say how many expressions were received. It would be considered the most basic of information that is in the public...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2020: Housing Agency
Financial Statements 2021: Approved Housing Bodies Regulatory Authority
Chapter 7: Housing Agency Revolving Acquisition Fund
Section 2 Report – Unauthorised Release of Funds from the Central Fund of the Exchequer
(19 Jan 2023)

Matt Carthy: There has been significant interest. Okay. We will try to move on. In terms of the significant interest, has there been a regional breakdown or disparity between the areas that Mr. Jordan cited in his article, namely, Dublin, Cork, Waterford, Limerick and Galway? Have there been expressions of interest from all of those areas, for example?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2020: Housing Agency
Financial Statements 2021: Approved Housing Bodies Regulatory Authority
Chapter 7: Housing Agency Revolving Acquisition Fund
Section 2 Report – Unauthorised Release of Funds from the Central Fund of the Exchequer
(19 Jan 2023)

Matt Carthy: I take it from that language that some of those expressions of interest have since receded or are no longer in the-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2020: Housing Agency
Financial Statements 2021: Approved Housing Bodies Regulatory Authority
Chapter 7: Housing Agency Revolving Acquisition Fund
Section 2 Report – Unauthorised Release of Funds from the Central Fund of the Exchequer
(19 Jan 2023)

Matt Carthy: How many cases did that relate to?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2020: Housing Agency
Financial Statements 2021: Approved Housing Bodies Regulatory Authority
Chapter 7: Housing Agency Revolving Acquisition Fund
Section 2 Report – Unauthorised Release of Funds from the Central Fund of the Exchequer
(19 Jan 2023)

Matt Carthy: If all of the remaining applications, if I can use that term, were to reach fruition, how many apartments would be delivered?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2020: Housing Agency
Financial Statements 2021: Approved Housing Bodies Regulatory Authority
Chapter 7: Housing Agency Revolving Acquisition Fund
Section 2 Report – Unauthorised Release of Funds from the Central Fund of the Exchequer
(19 Jan 2023)

Matt Carthy: I presume state aid approval has not been granted. From that and from Mr. Baneham's reticence to give information, I take it that no application has actually been approved as of yet. Is that fair to say?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2020: Housing Agency
Financial Statements 2021: Approved Housing Bodies Regulatory Authority
Chapter 7: Housing Agency Revolving Acquisition Fund
Section 2 Report – Unauthorised Release of Funds from the Central Fund of the Exchequer
(19 Jan 2023)

Matt Carthy: I take it that Mr. Baneham also cannot or will not provide a breakdown of approvals by local authority area or project size. We will have to follow up on this matter and use our authority to insist on that information being provided. This is a flagship programme. In every debate on housing I listen to, a Government spokesperson tells us that this is going to be a key scheme. One of the...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2020: Housing Agency
Financial Statements 2021: Approved Housing Bodies Regulatory Authority
Chapter 7: Housing Agency Revolving Acquisition Fund
Section 2 Report – Unauthorised Release of Funds from the Central Fund of the Exchequer
(19 Jan 2023)

Matt Carthy: We are told that, at the summit, representatives of a number of developers were indicating that they wanted an increased level of subsidy. I take it the Housing Agency was represented at that seminar.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2020: Housing Agency
Financial Statements 2021: Approved Housing Bodies Regulatory Authority
Chapter 7: Housing Agency Revolving Acquisition Fund
Section 2 Report – Unauthorised Release of Funds from the Central Fund of the Exchequer
(19 Jan 2023)

Matt Carthy: Can the agency give us any indication of the level of additional subsidy being sought?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2020: Housing Agency
Financial Statements 2021: Approved Housing Bodies Regulatory Authority
Chapter 7: Housing Agency Revolving Acquisition Fund
Section 2 Report – Unauthorised Release of Funds from the Central Fund of the Exchequer
(19 Jan 2023)

Matt Carthy: They just want more.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2023)

Matt Carthy: I support that proposal. We need to have quite an in-depth discussion with the HSE on disability services. One of the things about which we could correspond with the HSE beforehand is the level of services provided by comparison with the level of funding provided for each region. For example, in the community healthcare organisation, CHO, that my constituency falls under, I am aware that...

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