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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Imelda Munster: Verbally, right.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Imelda Munster: I would say so.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Imelda Munster: I would imagine so. Mr. Collins is saying that, at the beginning of March, he knew nothing about the fact that these were top-up payments. He knew Noel Kelly was involved in some way but did not question it enough. He took the story that the director general told him, namely that there were consultancy fees to Noel Kelly because he was giving RTÉ advice on how to manage agents during...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Imelda Munster: What was it, then?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Imelda Munster: Ah, come on. Mr. Collins gave the nod for €150,000 and he cannot remember it.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Imelda Munster: But he did not ask questions as finance officer about value for money or oversight. If it was not about agents, what was it about?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Imelda Munster: Could Mr. Collins give just one sentence about what that entails? Was it that the executive board did not have the knowledge or expertise about-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Imelda Munster: And then, obviously-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Imelda Munster: It is for Ms Anne O'Leary. I am just curious as to how it took six years for those payments to be identified. Is that not strange?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Imelda Munster: Who was that who was saying there was nothing to report?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Imelda Munster: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Imelda Munster: But the auditors had flagged up a concern about the payments.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Imelda Munster: Mr. Collins raised it with the director general. He did not question her pretty much; he took on board what she said.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Imelda Munster: Yes. As chief financial officer, Mr. Collins thought it was grand and that he would tell Deloitte what the story was and go from there. That is what he is saying.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Imelda Munster: Yes. Would Mr. Collins say he is not effectively doing his job?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Imelda Munster: That Mr. Collins cannot remember.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Imelda Munster: It is just so ridiculous I am going to move on. The commercial director, Ms Geraldine O'Leary, told me yesterday that she could not remember the precise detail on the headings of the invoices she raised. She could not remember whether it related to consultancy fees. I imagine she is extremely diligent. Did she check between then and now? She could not remember the exact detail.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Imelda Munster: But she checked that out.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Imelda Munster: So, who advised?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Imelda Munster: Knowing she was coming in here today, Ms O'Leary did not check between yesterday and today to have the answer for us whether it was Noel Kelly or the director general. She knew she was coming in here. Has she notes? She had a meeting with Ryan Tubridy's agent. She had a conference call with him in March 2022 or prior to that when the raising of the invoices was suggested or discussed. Is...

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