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Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Supplementary)
(4 Dec 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: Stewarding services are listed twice, coming to €1.64 million.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Supplementary)
(4 Dec 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: Do we have any idea how many personnel we are talking about with regard to stewards?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Supplementary)
(4 Dec 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: That is 2,916 in total, inside and outside.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Supplementary)
(4 Dec 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: That was for the whole three-day visit.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Supplementary)
(4 Dec 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: I might come back to the Minister of State on that, I just want to do the maths.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Supplementary)
(4 Dec 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: I will return to the issue of the stewards. Pulse Security had the higher figure of just over €1 million. A breakdown is given of all the areas where that company's personnel provided security, namely, Dublin Castle, the papal route, the Pro-Cathedral, the Capuchin Day Centre and Knock. They were not involved in the Phoenix Park event according to this breakdown. There is reference...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Supplementary)
(4 Dec 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: They were outside the Phoenix Park, but it shows a figure for the Phoenix Park event as zero.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Supplementary)
(4 Dec 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: When we are looking at the figure for the Phoenix Park event are we referring to the inside event and not the outside?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Supplementary)
(4 Dec 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: I am trying to establish how much the security cost for the day of the Phoenix Park event if security was being provided outside. I have all the figures for the other events such as Dublin Castle and the Pro-Cathedral. There are then the other two figures, one of which is security and one of which is combined services. It is for just over €600,000. Could we get a further breakdown...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Supplementary)
(4 Dec 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: Yes. Where was that spent?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Supplementary)
(4 Dec 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: Inside the Phoenix Park. Does that refer to Pulse Security? The figure for Pulse Security in this breakdown is for €1,005,270.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Supplementary)
(4 Dec 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: What does the Minister of State mean that it is a different company?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Supplementary)
(4 Dec 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: I just need to clear this up for myself. We have a list of the spending to date that shows a figure of €1,005,270 for Pulse Security for steward services. This was a tender, as far as I am aware. The contract procurement information is for Pulse Security, with a contract reference number and a total of €1,005,270. I believe there is a 21 cent difference between the two...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Supplementary)
(4 Dec 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: We have the figures for Dublin Castle, the papal route, the Pro-Cathedral, the Capuchin Day Centre, Knock and the car parks. There are two other figures. One is €387,000 for combined services, while the other is security for €246,000. I am looking for more detail on these two figures because we know some of the security was subcontracted to G4S.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Supplementary)
(4 Dec 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: I am happy to return to this matter if the officials can source the information.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Supplementary)
(4 Dec 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: The Eventsec security contract for €635,000 was only for inside the Phoenix Park. It did nothing else while Pulse Security looked after security outside the Phoenix Park. Could Mr. McMahon come back with those figures if he has them? Is it fair to say that the overall cost will be more than €18 million because, obviously-----

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Supplementary)
(4 Dec 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: Maybe not to the Minister of State's Department but in general, will it cost more than €18 million? Obviously there is a Garda bill.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Supplementary)
(4 Dec 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: There is a Garda bill that the Department of Justice and Equality must meet. Perhaps this is an unfair question and if it is, the Chairman can pull me up on it. What is the total cost of the papal visit across all Departments?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Supplementary)
(4 Dec 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: The figure of €18 million is just the OPW bill.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Supplementary)
(4 Dec 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: Multiplied-----

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