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Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage (Supplementary Estimate)
(23 Nov 2023)

Steven Matthews: We are back in public session. The next item on our agenda is the Supplementary Estimate for Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage. I thank the Minister for the briefing material provided. This has been circulated to the members. While the committee has no role in approving Estimates, there is an opportunity for it to make the process more transparent and to engage in a...

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage (Supplementary Estimate)
(23 Nov 2023)

Steven Matthews: We will go to the members. I call Deputy McAuliffe.

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage (Supplementary Estimate)
(23 Nov 2023)

Steven Matthews: In that case, I call Deputy Ó Broin.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Steven Matthews: I thank Mr. Jacobs for his presentation. Dublin Airport has a cap of 32 million passengers, but the DAA advertised in recent press releases that it had dealt with 32.9 million passengers. Is that a breach of planning conditions?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Steven Matthews: Why is it not a breach of planning conditions?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Steven Matthews: To clarify for people who may not be familiar with this, transit and transfer is not counted in the figure of 32 million passengers.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Steven Matthews: Does Dublin Airport in any way financially benefit from transfer and transit passengers?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Steven Matthews: For financial reasons, the DAA counts those passengers but for planning reasons it does not.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Steven Matthews: In slide 21, it is stated that it should be counted. The slide states: "Transfer passengers should only be counted once" and "Transit passengers ... should not count towards the cap." That is the DAA's interpretation.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Steven Matthews: Did An Bord Pleanála's decision state that those extra passengers were not exempt in the context of development?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Steven Matthews: Was there not an appeal to or a decision made by An Bord Pleanála appeal? In the context of the 32 million cap, let us call those to whom I am referring excess passengers. Those people were never described as not being exempted.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Steven Matthews: There was never a ruling on the airport exceeding passenger numbers.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Steven Matthews: In the form of transit or transfer.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Steven Matthews: It was not exempt.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Steven Matthews: There was a restriction of 65 flights per night across the entire airport following the 2017 planning permission decision. Is that correct?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Steven Matthews: The airport is sticking to that, on average. Will Mr. Jacobs explain why some nights the number might be higher than 65.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Steven Matthews: Yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Steven Matthews: Are there other city centre airports that have more restrictive night-time flying than applied to Dublin Airport, say, London Heathrow recently or Frankfurt?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Steven Matthews: Does Mr. Jacobs suspect that some airlines fly here because they are trying to avoid those airports and they use Dublin because it is a little bit more lax on night-time flying?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Steven Matthews: So that is not the case at all. On the routing issue, it is stated in the document presented to the committee that in August 2022, local communities were unexpectedly overflown. How is it possible to unexpectedly overfly communities for such a long period?

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