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Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (29 Sep 2016)

Alan Kelly: We cannot analyse that for the very reason mentioned by Mr. Daly, which is NAMA's weakness, because decisions are recorded in the minutes but there is a big gap as regards the logic the board used in respect of those four things I just outlined, namely, business risk, debtor engagement, political pressure and diplomacy. That is not recorded anywhere for us to see if it was the logic behind...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (29 Sep 2016)

Alan Kelly: I am not saying that what NAMA did was necessarily wrong. What I am saying is that, in light of the minutes that are outlined, the committee cannot garner information on the decision-making process across those four variables because of the weakness outlined by Mr. Daly earlier.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (29 Sep 2016)

Alan Kelly: We will move on.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (29 Sep 2016)

Alan Kelly: To be honest, that is not the remit of this committee because we must study it from the time the decision was made so that comment is irrelevant.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (29 Sep 2016)

Alan Kelly: Mr. Daly should follow my questioning. He has only a limited amount of time. In my opinion, it is irrelevant because we are analysing the decision at the time rather than post-----

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (29 Sep 2016)

Alan Kelly: So NAMA was able to predict the outcome of the referendum?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (29 Sep 2016)

Alan Kelly: Mr. Daly should remind me the next time he is going gambling and I will seek advice from him. In respect of Mr. Cushnahan - a Walter Mitty-type character who makes a considerable number of appearances throughout in the documentation - did NAMA ever enforce on any of the six or seven debtors that Mr. Cushnahan was-----

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (29 Sep 2016)

Alan Kelly: How many?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (29 Sep 2016)

Alan Kelly: When?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (29 Sep 2016)

Alan Kelly: Out of the six or seven, were they significant players as regards-----

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (29 Sep 2016)

Alan Kelly: Did Mr. Cushnahan submit a statement of interests to NAMA on an annual basis, as required under the 2009 code of governance regarding State bodies? Did he do it each year?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (29 Sep 2016)

Alan Kelly: Did Mr. Daly, as chairman, ensure that all procedures in place to protect against conflicts of interest under that code - sections 2.6, 2.7 and 5.5 - were adhered to?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (29 Sep 2016)

Alan Kelly: Is Mr. Daly satisfied absolutely? Did he refer back to the compliance division in the NTMA at all times?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (29 Sep 2016)

Alan Kelly: I need to get on the record that Mr. Daly is 100%-----

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (29 Sep 2016)

Alan Kelly: We can come back to that as needs be. When did NAMA tell the Department of Finance about the success fees and PIMCO?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (29 Sep 2016)

Alan Kelly: Did Mr. Daly ask them for any advice, subsequently?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (29 Sep 2016)

Alan Kelly: Did they offer any advice, subsequently?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (29 Sep 2016)

Alan Kelly: Was there surprise?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (29 Sep 2016)

Alan Kelly: Was there shock?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (29 Sep 2016)

Alan Kelly: Did Mr. Daly feel - I accept this is subjective - that as a result of that the Department would be taking action or would be referencing that into the future? In other words, it would feed into the political context of the Department.

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