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Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
Chapter 5 – Implementation of Financial Management Shared Services
(16 Feb 2021)

Brian Stanley: I will let the Deputy back in. I have to try to bring in the rest of the speakers.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
Chapter 5 – Implementation of Financial Management Shared Services
(16 Feb 2021)

Brian Stanley: The time is up so I ask Mr Murphy-Fagan to keep her answer brief and to the point.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
Chapter 5 – Implementation of Financial Management Shared Services
(16 Feb 2021)

Brian Stanley: There is one minute left.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
Chapter 5 – Implementation of Financial Management Shared Services
(16 Feb 2021)

Brian Stanley: The Deputy has one minute left.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
Chapter 5 – Implementation of Financial Management Shared Services
(16 Feb 2021)

Brian Stanley: Time up.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
Chapter 5 – Implementation of Financial Management Shared Services
(16 Feb 2021)

Brian Stanley: I thank Ms Murphy-Fagan. The time is up.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
Chapter 5 – Implementation of Financial Management Shared Services
(16 Feb 2021)

Brian Stanley: Your microphone seems to be on mute.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
Chapter 5 – Implementation of Financial Management Shared Services
(16 Feb 2021)

Brian Stanley: Apologies have been received from Deputy MacSharry.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
Chapter 5 – Implementation of Financial Management Shared Services
(16 Feb 2021)

Brian Stanley: The Deputy is over her time.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
Chapter 5 – Implementation of Financial Management Shared Services
(16 Feb 2021)

Brian Stanley: I thank the CEO for her replies. I have some questions on the figures. This project started at €47.4 million and, as has been established, we have now reached a cost of €115 million. I ask the CEO to keep her replies concise, although it is difficult because we have to work with technology. Is it envisaged that figure will increase?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
Chapter 5 – Implementation of Financial Management Shared Services
(16 Feb 2021)

Brian Stanley: What is the annual service cost for the system and is there a contract for it? It has extended to 2025 before it will be in place. That is nine years from when it started. Is there an annual service cost and, if so, how much is it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
Chapter 5 – Implementation of Financial Management Shared Services
(16 Feb 2021)

Brian Stanley: How much is the annual service cost now?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
Chapter 5 – Implementation of Financial Management Shared Services
(16 Feb 2021)

Brian Stanley: It is heading for nearly three times the cost of what it started out as. We can look at the State's previous experiences, and especially the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform. Take the examples of voting machines, which were a different system but it relates to IT, that ran to €100 million and did not work - the machines were in storage and are now discarded - and the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
Chapter 5 – Implementation of Financial Management Shared Services
(16 Feb 2021)

Brian Stanley: My next question is for Mr. Costello from the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform. In view of the experience in the two cases I mentioned, where the e-voting machines cost in excess of €100 million and in excess of €150 million for PPARS, now the cost of this is accelerating, is the Department concerned? Does it see these continuing runaway costs as just something...

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
Chapter 5 – Implementation of Financial Management Shared Services
(16 Feb 2021)

Brian Stanley: My next question is for the CEO on data breaches. She has confirmed that there is an ongoing issue with data breaches. There were 350 in the first two years of the operation of the NSSO. She highlighted that there were some in 2019 and 2020. How many data breaches occurred in 2020?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
Chapter 5 – Implementation of Financial Management Shared Services
(16 Feb 2021)

Brian Stanley: There is a concern with people working from home. I know that public servants are very diligent. It is good to hear that the figure is low. Will there be any redundancies as a result of this process? Has it led to any cases coming before the Workplace Relations Commission?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
Chapter 5 – Implementation of Financial Management Shared Services
(16 Feb 2021)

Brian Stanley: I thank Ms Murphy-Fagan. We have a little time left if any of the members wishes to ask a question.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
Chapter 5 – Implementation of Financial Management Shared Services
(16 Feb 2021)

Brian Stanley: I have a final question for Mr. Costello. At any point was Department of Finance and Public Expenditure advised not to go ahead with the project, to re-examine it or to re-examine its design?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
Chapter 5 – Implementation of Financial Management Shared Services
(16 Feb 2021)

Brian Stanley: Okay. Thank you. That wraps up the questions. I thank the witnesses for joining us today and for the information they provided. As always, I thank the Comptroller and Auditor General for attending and assisting us, and thank his staff for assisting the committee for today. Is it agreed we will request the clerk to the committee to seek any follow-up information and carry out any agreed...

Land Development Agency Bill 2021: Second Stage (17 Feb 2021)

Brian Stanley: It is disappointing to see another housing measure that is based on the very conservative ideology of both Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael. Unfortunately, it will fail to deliver social housing. In reality, this legislation will increase house prices and push affordable homes further out of the reach of ordinary workers and families. It is a Bill for developers. There are serious problems...

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