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Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Ms Kerins-----

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Can I thank Ms Kerins for the sympathetic view she has of those of us who are ignorant of the full magnitude of her role? I can tell her that the public is well aware that Rehab is a group. We are well aware and well conversant in this committee with the variety of activities in which Rehab is engaged. I put it to Ms Kerins that she earns more than the President of the United States of...

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: I will come to that in a moment but before I do, can Ms Kerins tell me whether she is paid additional expenses or allowances?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: What would Ms Kerins' expenses run to, on average?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Ms Kerins does not have that information.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: I was alarmed to hear - although I am confident Ms Kerins will tell me it is not the case - that she regularly commutes by helicopter to different locations.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: That could make a whole other interesting conversation. Let us turn now to the commercial aspect because Ms Kerins has laid emphasis on it. I wish to ask about one specific commercial venture and ask Ms Kerins to shed some light on it. Rehab had a relationship with an organisation called Complete Eco Solutions Limited. I checked it today and it is currently described as being involved in...

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Will Ms Kerins talk us through the relationship between Rehab and Complete Eco Solutions Limited? I understand it relates to the coffin business.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: In what year did Rehab Group decide to try out the coffin making enterprise?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Perhaps in the course of this meeting, one of Ms Kerins' colleagues could check the year with Rehab Group head office. I am sure the matter could be established quite easily. Complete Eco Solutions Limited set up shop in 2009. As I understood the turn of events, Rehab initially imported materials for the construction of these coffins directly from China and that afterwards, Complete Eco...

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Does Ms Kerins refute that?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Is Ms Kerins stating that at no stage, and there is no paper trail to confirm that materials from China came to Rehab via this agent or third party?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: That is what I said.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Does Ms Kerins have a means of confirming that?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Would it be too ambitious to suggest that Ms Kerins would confirm that during the course of this meeting? I am sure one of Ms Kerins' colleagues could step out and contact somebody at head office.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Is Ms Kerins uncomfortable with the idea of family members and people close to her having a commercial relationship with Rehab, given her position? Does it cause Ms Kerins to worry?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: I am referring specifically to a commercial transactional relationship, not voluntary effort.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: How long did it go on for?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Were any other family members of Ms Kerins involved in this enterprise or any other commercial venture?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Okay. Does Ms Kerins have any further detail than that?

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