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Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: They are not documented, however.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: It is hearsay.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: Surely, then Dr. Smith must tell the Department that this is not acceptable, there is no note on the file and, therefore, they are not authorised payments.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: Yes, there should be no verbal agreements.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: Would hotel accommodation provided for consultants be part of this trawl of bonus payments? The committee conducted hearings over a long period on departmental expenses and prepared a report on it. It would appear we did not ask the right questions because none of this showed up. There are issues around top-up payments in section 38 bodies even though in 2011 we knew it was happening in...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: Can the HSE ask these agencies this question? Otherwise, they will say we did not ask the right question.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: What about long-term accommodation arrangements?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: We should ask for that. We did have an example of it last week.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: With regard to Deputy O'Donnell's point about this news damaging the morale of those who are fund-raising or within hospitals on the front line, I raise a question that came about in correspondence. There was a medical superintendent in one of these section 38 hospitals, and now that person has two titles and a top-up. For some, if not all, of the years that he or she held this position,...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: I will make it available to Mr. O'Brien. It is €48,000 per annum for six days a month.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: It is a matter of concern. Mr. O'Brien mentioned the contracts to Deputy O'Donnell. In its discussions with these agencies, hospitals and so on, has the HSE established how many contracts are in place? Presumably there is a contract in place for every single position. Therefore, one could expect a business case relevant to that position in every instance.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: But the HSE has not carried out a complete analysis of all of that yet.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: The HSE will have a busy time between now and Christmas.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: Will we need to come back?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: We have agreed this.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: In the same vein and in regard to the report, it is critical of the differences in the salaries being paid to chief executives versus the size of the hospital, project or institution. What steps is the HSE going to take to bring that into some formal structure in order that the people who are chief executives of very large organisations or small bodies will see it reflected in the salary?...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: Has the HSE established there is an audit committee or a remuneration committee within those boards and that they have been active in dealing with these payments? Is it just a case of the boards meeting and providing a rubber stamp, with the chairman providing a recommendation? Is there an analysis of what has been going on?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: The answers to the questions have to be determined, and there is also the structure of the salaries being paid to all these people. The HSE will possibly have to make recommendations on these as it is at the coalface and understands the challenge to keep staff. There is a balance that may be difficult to strike relative to what we are speaking about. There is a challenge that will exist in...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: Have you met with the CEOs or the chairpersons of the boards of the organisations?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: That is most of them.

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