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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (29 Jan 2021)

Brian Stanley: Does Deputy Catherine Murphy want to add anything?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (29 Jan 2021)

Brian Stanley: We will invite the correspondent to a private session of the committee. He indicated to me in the past that he would be willing to appear before the Committee of Public Accounts. No. 260B, from Mr. Ray Mitchell, assistant national director, HSE, dated 10 December 2020, provides information requested by the committee on the nursing homes support scheme as well as information requested on...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (29 Jan 2021)

Brian Stanley: If we do not have sight of the benchmark, we cannot make a judgment on it. No. 264B is from Mr. Niall Cody, chairman of the Revenue Commissioners. Members will recall we had Mr. Cody before the committee. The correspondence is dated 14 December and provides information requested arising out of his appearance before the committee on 19 November 2020. I propose to note and publish this...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (29 Jan 2021)

Brian Stanley: I apologise that I missed the Deputy.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (29 Jan 2021)

Brian Stanley: We will ask for that correspondence to be taken up. No. 284B refers to an issue the committee has been dealing with. It is from Deputy Matt Shanahan and is dated 11 January. It raises concerns about the recently advertised role of the Secretary General of the Department of Health. At our meeting on 14 January, the committee agreed to write to the acting Secretary General of the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (29 Jan 2021)

Brian Stanley: I have addressed this matter in previous meetings. We do not, nor should we try, have a role in setting the level of pay for any public servant. The issue being flagged is the process or lack thereof and the unusual nature of the case in terms of the potential knock-on effect on public sector pay.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (29 Jan 2021)

Brian Stanley: The committee on procedure gave us a commitment. I raised it with individual members of that committee and they came back to us formally and said they would respond to any request from the Committee of Public Accounts to that committee, and they would turn it around within a week. We will see what way that works. We should have a reply back for next week in regard to getting its go-ahead...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (29 Jan 2021)

Brian Stanley: Okay. The next speaker is Deputy McAuliffe.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (29 Jan 2021)

Brian Stanley: We will not get into a bun fight with other committees over it but it is important that we pursue the matter. The clerk to the committee informed me that the application has been drafted and needs to be signed off. That will be followed up on straightaway. It is proposed that we advise Deputy Shanahan accordingly. Is that agreed? Agreed. I will go back to the item of correspondence we...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (29 Jan 2021)

Brian Stanley: Did Deputy Verona Murphy indicate that she wants to speak?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (29 Jan 2021)

Brian Stanley: The proposal is that we publish the item. Deputy Carthy has proposed that we request An Garda Síochána to keep us apprised of developments insofar as it can. We have to be careful in respect of GSOC. Obviously, we cannot get involved if it is involved in an inquiry into the matter, but we can ask it for a timeline if agreed. That is as far as we can go. If it is agreed, we will...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (29 Jan 2021)

Brian Stanley: I remind members that, since Caranua is not present to defend itself, they should not make charges against officials or others who are not at this meeting. Regarding consent, perhaps I am wrong, but I recall that committee members saw the correspondence from the two survivors giving their permission. Will Deputy Munster clarify? I was aware of correspondence from them giving Deputies...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (29 Jan 2021)

Brian Stanley: Did Deputy Catherine Murphy indicate that she wished to contribute on this matter?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (29 Jan 2021)

Brian Stanley: To be helpful, the Deputy will remember how I proposed at yesterday's meeting that we write to the Department about how to learn from the Caranua process. Obviously, many survivors benefited from the work of Caranua. In some cases there were appeals, where applications failed and so on and people were not happy, but an awful lot of people were satisfied. Deputy Murphy may recall that at...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (29 Jan 2021)

Brian Stanley: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (29 Jan 2021)

Brian Stanley: The Comptroller and Auditor General has indicated he wishes to come in.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (29 Jan 2021)

Brian Stanley: I thank Mr. McCarthy for that clarification. It is an issue that came up all right. There were some figures in the earlier applications whereby there were grants made available that were significantly higher than that. What we will do, then, is proceed with the actions we have already agreed and then note and publish the correspondence. Is that agreed? Agreed. We will move now to new...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (29 Jan 2021)

Brian Stanley: It is proposed to forward the item to the correspondent who raised the matter with the previous committee in the Thirty-second Dáil, and advise that as Limerick City and County Council is audited by the Local Government Audit Service, it is outside our remit. We can then request the correspondent’s consent to forward his correspondence and the response from the Department to the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (29 Jan 2021)

Brian Stanley: I would advise that we inform the correspondent that the route to do that would be through the local authority or through a local authority member.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (29 Jan 2021)

Brian Stanley: The Local Government Audit Service is separate from us. It is not that we do not want to be helpful to the correspondent, but it is better that we do not get our wires crossed here. We could create the impression that somehow we have a role in sorting this out. Unfortunately, the local authorities are quite separate from the Committee of Public Accounts. There has been talk in the past of...

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