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Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting
Chapter 10 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 11 - Costs of Land Remediation
Vote 25 - Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government
(26 Jun 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: It is an average of approximately 14 units per local authority.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting
Chapter 10 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 11 - Costs of Land Remediation
Vote 25 - Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government
(26 Jun 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: What had it been in 2012?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting
Chapter 10 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 11 - Costs of Land Remediation
Vote 25 - Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government
(26 Jun 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: It has fallen by a further €34 million, or 30%, whereas in the previous year it had fallen by 17%. The fact is that between 2012 and 2013, the level of funding fell by €90 million, which is greater than the actual expenditure of €83 million in 2013. Am I correct in stating that the new build for 2013 by the local authorities was 460 units in total? If there are 31...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting
Chapter 10 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 11 - Costs of Land Remediation
Vote 25 - Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government
(26 Jun 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: Why is this figure is so low? It seems incredible. I can only give the Secretary General my perspective as a public representative. I am a Deputy for Limerick city where housing is an enormous issue. I, no doubt like any other Deputy, note the number of people coming to their public representatives. How did our building programme get to the point where we were only building an average 14...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting
Chapter 10 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 11 - Costs of Land Remediation
Vote 25 - Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government
(26 Jun 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: Is that the rental accommodation scheme?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting
Chapter 10 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 11 - Costs of Land Remediation
Vote 25 - Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government
(26 Jun 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: On the overall level in 2013, am I correct that there were 1,900 allocations? What was the total number of new allocations, be it through leased or new build?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting
Chapter 10 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 11 - Costs of Land Remediation
Vote 25 - Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government
(26 Jun 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: Would the number of new occupancies be 8,650, between new units and the re-letting of older units? Would that be fair?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting
Chapter 10 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 11 - Costs of Land Remediation
Vote 25 - Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government
(26 Jun 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: That is approximately 280 per local authority, far below the level of the waiting lists. Mr. McCarthy spoke of a strategy. The rent supplement scheme, which comes under the Department, was designed as a short-term scheme. In many cases, it has ended up becoming a long-term scheme. The RAS, from my perspective, works. It is a relatively well-administered scheme. I have major misgivings...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting
Chapter 10 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 11 - Costs of Land Remediation
Vote 25 - Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government
(26 Jun 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: There is another issue with the rent supplement scheme with a tiny minority. I would not even measure it. There are issues of anti-social behaviour from tenants. Not only do they become repeat offenders, but the same landlords end up cropping up constantly. Such tenants have given the rent supplement a bad name which is completely unwarranted and they have given the greater number of...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting
Chapter 10 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 11 - Costs of Land Remediation
Vote 25 - Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government
(26 Jun 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: I will finish on this point on housing because I do not want to take up too much time. With the RAS, there is a proper orientation programme to ensure people are fully aware of their responsibilities as tenants. Heretofore, that has not always been consistent under the scheme. Can we take it that it will be the case under the HAP scheme?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting
Chapter 10 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 11 - Costs of Land Remediation
Vote 25 - Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government
(26 Jun 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: Are the procedures that same as for the RAS?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting
Chapter 10 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 11 - Costs of Land Remediation
Vote 25 - Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government
(26 Jun 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: I am delighted with that. How many houses does the Department propose to build in 2014?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting
Chapter 10 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 11 - Costs of Land Remediation
Vote 25 - Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government
(26 Jun 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: Is that comparable to the number for last year?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting
Chapter 10 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 11 - Costs of Land Remediation
Vote 25 - Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government
(26 Jun 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: The second topic I want to address is Irish Water. What physical assets are being transferred to Irish Water from the Department?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting
Chapter 10 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 11 - Costs of Land Remediation
Vote 25 - Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government
(26 Jun 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: Was a value put on it? Is the Department getting paid a goodwill value or asset value for the network and various water treatment plants?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting
Chapter 10 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 11 - Costs of Land Remediation
Vote 25 - Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government
(26 Jun 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: The question I am really asking is-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting
Chapter 10 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 11 - Costs of Land Remediation
Vote 25 - Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government
(26 Jun 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: What is the position on Irish Water as an entity and its shareholders?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting
Chapter 10 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 11 - Costs of Land Remediation
Vote 25 - Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government
(26 Jun 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: It comes off the balance sheet because it is semi-State.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting
Chapter 10 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 11 - Costs of Land Remediation
Vote 25 - Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government
(26 Jun 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: There is actually no financial transaction.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting
Chapter 10 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 11 - Costs of Land Remediation
Vote 25 - Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government
(26 Jun 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: What value does Ms Graham anticipate in that regard?

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