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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: It was sent to the Chairman and I gave it to the Clerk immediately.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: It was agreed by the committee to send it to the Parliamentary Legal Adviser for legal advice. The whistleblower had come forward and asked to appear before the committee and supplied the information. The information needed to be checked by the legal advisers so that the committee could be protected.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: To make it clear, at the time that we received the documentation, it was made clear by the Committee of Public Accounts that we were only interested in the system failure and the loss of revenue to the State. That is all we are interested in. The committee is not interested in names or places. Arising from the Comptroller and Auditor General's report on the same type of issue, the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: We are trying to strike a balance. We are having it examined in the context of the claim of the significant loss of money to the State and the breakdown in the system, while at the same time working in accordance with the data protection laws. I think we should not be stopped in the context of our examination of the information relevant to the systems failure and the loss of funds to the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: Should we not give Comptroller and Auditor General the information and documents that have been received by the committee, given that he has been able to receive and deal with similar documentation? It relates to a loss of revenue to the State. We are not investigating individual gardaĆ­ or the individuals who were given these points. We are investigating the loss of money to the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: The Comptroller and Auditor General has a report before us that is based on the same issue. The information that has been given to the committee seems to be about the same issue. It is about the loss of revenue to the State, and it is about a system failure of some kind. Therefore, on foot of the Comptroller and Auditor General's report and because of the apparent nature of the documents...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: It will not be because we have decided to seek legal advice. That is only right and proper for the protection of the committee and its members.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: I will move on to individual correspondence. No. 3B.1 is correspondence dated 8 November 2013 from Bernie Lloyd, who is the PRO of the Davitt Road North and Windmill Hill residents' group regarding the Wexford courthouse project. It is to be noted. This correspondence is ongoing. It seems that different positions are being taken by different groups. We will forward this correspondence to...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: Is that No. 4.2?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: No. 5 is our work programme. We have agreed to have a meeting with the HSE and the Department next Tuesday or Wednesday. The Clerk is suggesting that we take the HSE first and then the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, as that is the oversight Department, followed by the voluntary bodies. We will work on the schedule of meetings and determine who is available and bring them in...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: Tell her we are to wrap up on the report.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: No. 6 is other business. Can we agree the agenda for Thursday, 28 November 2013, when we will meet Mr. Paul Maloney, former chief executive of the DDDA, for our continuing examination of that issue? Is that agreed? Agreed.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Staff Appointments in the National Gallery of Ireland
Vote 34 - National Gallery of Ireland
(21 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: Before we begin, I remind members, witnesses and those in the public gallery to turn off their mobile telephones, as the interference from them affects the sound quality and transmission of the meeting. I wish to advise witnesses that they are protected by absolute privilege in respect of the evidence they are to give the committee. If they are directed by the committee to cease giving...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Staff Appointments in the National Gallery of Ireland
Vote 34 - National Gallery of Ireland
(21 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: I invite the Comptroller and Auditor General to introduce the accounts.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Staff Appointments in the National Gallery of Ireland
Vote 34 - National Gallery of Ireland
(21 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: We have two distinct issues to deal with today: the appointment of the director and the issue of the reinstatement of staff who are deemed to be on contracts of indefinite duration. Dr. Braiden asked that Mr. Rainbird be excused for part of this meeting. However, because he is now the Accounting Officer, I ask that he remain for the full meeting. I invite Dr. Braiden to make her opening...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Staff Appointments in the National Gallery of Ireland
Vote 34 - National Gallery of Ireland
(21 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: May we publish that statement?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Staff Appointments in the National Gallery of Ireland
Vote 34 - National Gallery of Ireland
(21 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: I invite Mr. Rainbird to make his opening statement.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Staff Appointments in the National Gallery of Ireland
Vote 34 - National Gallery of Ireland
(21 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: Thank you Mr. Rainbird. May we publish your statement?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Staff Appointments in the National Gallery of Ireland
Vote 34 - National Gallery of Ireland
(21 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: I remind members that the examination is not about Mr. Rainbird, but about the board and the agreements received from the various Departments, so everybody should bear that in mind when asking questions. I call on Deputy Ross.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Staff Appointments in the National Gallery of Ireland
Vote 34 - National Gallery of Ireland
(21 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: Mr. D'Arcy, feel free to answer the questions if you wish.

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