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Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Shane Cassells: Why would Mr. Culhane write to the Commissioner, given his factual role, lacing it in adjectives that were detrimental to a person, whose role was complementary to his role? He refers to a person's lack of respect for an acting deputy commissioner. It is as if Mr. Culhane was defending the force rather than defending the integrity of the job that was supposed to be done.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Shane Cassells: The point I am trying to make is that one does not use this type of language when giving an account of a meeting. There are some journalists in the Gallery who will explain that to Mr. Culhane. They have to write factual reports about what happens here today. If the editor tells them to write a colour piece they will use adjectives. Mr. Culhane is an executive director of finance and...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Shane Cassells: It looks like one to me. Mr. Culhane refers to Mr. Barrett's "usual sweeping style" and what one elicits from that is Mr. Culhane has a prejudice against this man from the get go, using words like "stopped short of calling him a liar" and "a palpable shock of silence in the room". Why was there a palpable shock of silence in the room?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Shane Cassells: He has told the committee that he has had to FOI stuff.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Shane Cassells: What disturbs me Mr. Culhane is that there is a theme developing, both on the day of our previous meeting, the material in the newspapers in the interim period and what is happing this morning, that this will all be explained away under the catchall, abstract term "culture". By putting a title on it and categorising it, nobody gets named individually and like so many other things here,...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Shane Cassells: Without rehashing the report, Mr. Kelly makes a point of referring to this culture at the root of the problem in his conclusions. He said earlier that as an extensive part of his audit, he spent three months at Templemore, talking to people - not just looking at the balance sheets - and getting the background behind the figures. Mr. Kelly said in his opening remarks that the culture may...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Shane Cassells: When Mr. Kelly states that it may still exist in An Garda Síochána, will he elaborate on that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Shane Cassells: It goes to the heart of the matter.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Shane Cassells: Look at what is happening here today. I am afraid the issue will be put under one big umbrella. There is a very clear divergence of views on the work that Mr. Kelly is doing but there is no good in saying that it was just the culture. Were successive Accounting Officers ignorant of what was happening? Would Mr. Kelly agree or disagree with that statement?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Shane Cassells: Over a successive period?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Shane Cassells: I need Mr. Kelly to help us in that respect. There is a problem in what Mr. Kelly has just said. People were trying to ignore a problem, but having Mr. Kelly identify the problem, was there willful participation in trying to thwart Mr. Kelly's work or Mr. Barrett's work? That is where we are into dangerous realms.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Shane Cassells: That is a whole different ball game. That is why I asked Mr. Kelly whether this was wilful misappropriation or just incompetency. Having discovered that, did others engage in a process to ensure that Kelly and Barrett do not get to the root of what is happening, and there is wilful participation to nullify Mr. Kelly? Is that a culture, or who are the people trying to willfully thwart his work?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Shane Cassells: Is the gentleman sitting beside Mr. Kelly trying to thwart his work?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Shane Cassells: Chairman, it goes to the heart of the very matter. It is very clear there is a divergence of views. We are after having the head of legal services disagreeing with points that were made.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Shane Cassells: The point is very simple, Chairman. It is being packaged as an historical legacy issue. An audit will happen and that is fine. The point I am making is that it has been extrapolated here that Mr. Kelly and Mr. Barrett, having uncovered various issues were then being thwarted in their work, having got on a path that was uncomfortable for people. I was asking Mr. Kelly who was thwarting...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Shane Cassells: I understand what the witness is saying because he will not use the words "thwart" or "agitate". What Mr. Kelly is saying to me is that the fact that information was not forwarded to him is hindering him and not allowing him to do his job. If Mr. Kelly is saying to me that the executive director of finance and the deputy commissioner are not providing him with information required to do his...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Shane Cassells: We are not talking about 1.10 p.m. here today. We are talking about up until this point. Mr. Barrett's frustration here this morning is quite evident in trying to actually expose what has been happening. I ask Mr. Kelly, and I put the question to Mr. Barrett as well: have they, up until this point at 1.10 p.m. today, been thwarted in trying to expose what they have uncovered and in...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Shane Cassells: Is that a wilful attempt to make sure that the public do not know the level of potential wrongdoing within the financial set-up? Was that a wilful attempt to make sure that the force and this magical culture was protected at all costs?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Shane Cassells: I keep probing this is because the witness is putting this in his conclusion. He is saying that this is the ultimate point here: the culture.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Shane Cassells: He cannot just put that in his report, bookend it and think that is it. Who is doing it? Who is trying to stop Mr. Kelly? Is there a larger thing here within An Garda Síochána to make sure that this does not come to light?