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Seanad: Intoxicating Liquor Bill 2003: Committee Stage. (19 Jun 2003)

David Norris: Perhaps I might use this reflection on the section to fly a little kite. We were talking about people's behaviour and expelling them. Many people, in the two Houses and in the general public, are concerned about the behaviour of drunken people in accident and emergency units in hospitals. I wonder whether that might be covered by legislation. I do not think it is covered by any section of...

Seanad: Intoxicating Liquor Bill 2003: Committee Stage. (19 Jun 2003)

David Norris: Perhaps we might look at legislation in this area later on.

Seanad: Intoxicating Liquor Bill 2003: Committee Stage. (19 Jun 2003)

David Norris: If you cannot beat them, join them.

Seanad: Intoxicating Liquor Bill 2003: Committee Stage. (19 Jun 2003)

David Norris: I am much more in sympathy with the Minister's position. He made it quite clear that the Probation Act can come into play on the first offence, which is perfectly satisfactory. It is very interesting to hear from the honourable, decent people representing the drinks lobby – they have stated their interest – that it does not matter how high the fine is. They will pay the fine but do not...

Seanad: Intoxicating Liquor Bill 2003: Committee Stage. (19 Jun 2003)

David Norris: It is embarrassing for the Minister because he agrees so heartily with it.

Seanad: Intoxicating Liquor Bill 2003: Committee Stage. (19 Jun 2003)

David Norris: Hear, hear.

Seanad: Intoxicating Liquor Bill 2003: Committee Stage. (19 Jun 2003)

David Norris: Or drove a car and killed somebody.

Seanad: Intoxicating Liquor Bill 2003: Committee Stage. (19 Jun 2003)

David Norris: At the risk of being tedious, I fully support what the Minister said. I am glad that I stayed for the debate because I am enchanted by the Labour Party's obsession with numerology. One amendment proposes deleting the word "first" and inserting the word "second", while the other proposes to delete the word "second" and insert the word "third". I look forward to being offered this superb...

Seanad: Intoxicating Liquor Bill 2003: Committee Stage. (19 Jun 2003)

David Norris: Hear, hear.

Seanad: Intoxicating Liquor Bill 2003: Committee Stage. (19 Jun 2003)

David Norris: I am taken by the Minister's very reasonable approach to this matter. He is correct in stating that Thursday is now a day of serious drinking. I remember when it was Saturday. Then it became Saturday and Friday, and then Saturday, Friday and Thursday. If this trend continues, every day of the week will become one of heavy drinking. It is a function of affluence – young people have a huge...

Seanad: Intoxicating Liquor Bill 2003: Committee Stage. (19 Jun 2003)

David Norris: We all know that.

Seanad: Intoxicating Liquor Bill 2003: Committee Stage. (19 Jun 2003)

David Norris: We know that.

Seanad: Intoxicating Liquor Bill 2003: Committee Stage. (19 Jun 2003)

David Norris: Would it be considered insider trading to invest in closed circuit television companies?

Seanad: Intoxicating Liquor Bill 2003: Committee Stage. (19 Jun 2003)

David Norris: Name and shame.

Seanad: Intoxicating Liquor Bill 2003: Committee Stage. (19 Jun 2003)

David Norris: We are travelling down a very paternalistic road by intruding into people's homes. I would have thought that if the behaviour was as bad as Senator Jim Walsh says, it would have been covered by other aspects of the law. It is idle for the Oireachtas to speculate as to whether a parent's permission was actually granted. How could a court ever determine if it was retrospective or not? This is a...

Seanad: Intoxicating Liquor Bill 2003: Committee Stage. (19 Jun 2003)

David Norris: If behaviour of the sort referred to by Senator Walsh becomes outrageous, it is covered by other aspects of the law.

Seanad: Intoxicating Liquor Bill 2003: Committee Stage. (19 Jun 2003)

David Norris: Of course it is, if these people are creating a nuisance or intimidating people. The Senator said their behaviour was intimidatory and was causing a nuisance to neighbours. It is covered by other aspects of the law. The Minister is saying what I was trying to say on Second Stage, which was that the vast majority do not object to people drinking. On the Continent young people are encouraged...

Seanad: Intoxicating Liquor Bill 2003: Committee Stage. (19 Jun 2003)

David Norris: If a crime was committed, it is a different matter.

Seanad: Intoxicating Liquor Bill 2003: Committee Stage. (19 Jun 2003)

David Norris: I wish to move amendment No. 21.

Seanad: Intoxicating Liquor Bill 2003: Committee Stage. (19 Jun 2003)

David Norris: In that case, I will rely on what I said on Second Stage. It seems silly and unfair to send young people between the ages of 15 and 18 years off to bed at 8 p.m. They should be allowed to stay until 9 p.m. With regard to the earlier amendment, however, I have no difficulty with providing that children should be out of a premises by 8 p.m. I will not call a vote on it but a public house is not...

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