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Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: We do not have that.

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: No, we do not have that yet.

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: I am not going to seek something until it is concluded and they have the exact figure.

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: Yes, there are two issues. There is the Department of Social Protection issue in regard to that liability and then there is the compensation issue. There are two issues. I agree with the Deputy on that.

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: Not while it is ongoing. As Minister, I cannot get involved. These are the mechanics in regard to employees and employers, and there is no mechanism in my Department to determine labour law issues.

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: For the individual employees, I am not their employer. It is up to RTÉ to determine that liability. Again, this is why I point to the future-looking piece and why I listened to the staff. It is about getting it right in future, examining those HR and contractor issues and making sure RTÉ then implements the recommendations that are made.

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: No, it actually would not be appropriate for us to get involved in that. It is purely a matter between the Department of Social Protection and RTÉ.

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: It is still ongoing, so no.

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: It is ongoing, so I just cannot continue with speculation about the unknown. A contingency for a figure that we do not have-----

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: This is ongoing. This is live.

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: Regarding the second issue, when the full figure is established, that will become part of that overall funding. NewERA will have a role in that but there is no exact figure yet.

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: Yes, it is just on my radar but I am not speculating on an unknown figure.

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: We are not involved in that. It is a matter for RTÉ, so we are not involved in-----

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: Again, it is ongoing and NewERA has a role in monitoring RTÉ’s financial position. When it comes to a conclusion, that is when NewERA can step in and come to us. We cannot do a contingency for the unknown. As I said, it is on our radar but it has to come to a conclusion. Then NewERA will have a role in that.

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: It is really not appropriate for the Minister with responsibility for media to give an answer to that. It is just not appropriate. I have always said I believe the organisation should treat its staff with fairness and transparency. That is exactly why-----

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: Yes, of course, everything should be done in accordance with the law. That is exactly why in complete recognition of that I set up a separate expert group to deal with these issues and to look crucially for recommendations going forward.

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: On that point, that is why I set up a second group. There was only originally going to be one expert group. Having met the unions, I specifically set up a separate group on the HR issues, contractor issues, staff equality and all those issues that have been raised with me. I continue to engage. I even met those union representatives last week to hear how things are progressing. I am...

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: That is an operational issue for RTÉ, and I cannot interfere.

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: Again, I will not comment. I cannot wander into an area that would not be appropriate for a Minister with responsibility for media to wander into. What I am consistently saying is that I believe the staff should be treated with fairness, transparency and equality. That is why the second expert advisory group was so crucial in moving forward.

Select Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (Revised)
(8 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: The latest figures for the month of January are for 62,332 TV license sales compared to 67,764 last year. That is a reduction of 8%.

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