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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Jackie Cahill: No, no. The answer that is being sought is to the question of whether in EU terms, and its monitoring, a change from -1 mg/l to 1 mg/l over a three-year period is considered stable water quality.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Jackie Cahill: Over a 12-year period, we have only varied by 0.7 mg/l. In EU terms, then, is this considered stable water quality? Yes or no.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Jackie Cahill: No, no-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Jackie Cahill: No.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Jackie Cahill: The question is very straightforward. In EU monitoring terms, is the graph that has been referred to considered to represent stable water quality?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Jackie Cahill: No, no. The question is simple.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Jackie Cahill: A yes-no answer is required. Regarding this graph, as I said, in my knowledge, going from -1 mg/l to 1 mg/l in a three-year period is considered stable water quality.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Jackie Cahill: In a 12-year period here, we have only varied by 0.7 mg/l. In EU monitoring terms, yes or no, is this considered stable water quality?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Jackie Cahill: Why?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Jackie Cahill: No, no, the figures here are going from 7.5 mg/l to 8.2 mg/l.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Jackie Cahill: No. The figures here are going from 7.5 mg/l to 8.2 mg/l.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Jackie Cahill: The EU's recommendation is that when we are between -1 mg/l and 1 mg/l over a three-year period, this is stable water quality. You cannot have it both ways. We will take two very quick questions from Deputy Fitzmaurice and Senator Paul Daly. We are way over time. We will take the two questions together and then the answers.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Jackie Cahill: Will Dr. Cotter send to the committee a copy of everything that was sent to the Commission? We would greatly appreciate that. I thank the witnesses from the EPA for attending. We have had a rigorous question-and-answer session. I propose we suspend the meeting before we begin the next session with representatives of the Irish Farmers Association. Is that agreed? Agreed.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Jackie Cahill: We will resume with the second session of this meeting when we will hear from the following representatives of the Irish Farmers' Association, IFA: Mr Tim Cullinan, president; Mr Tadhg Buckley, director of policy; and Dr. Aine O’Connell, dairy policy executive. The IFA are accompanied by a representative from Environmental Risk Solutions, Mr. Shane Herlihy, managing director. I had...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Jackie Cahill: I thank Mr. Herlihy and Mr. Cullinan for their comprehensive opening statements. We pride ourselves on our green image. Water quality is essential for us. We had a long session this morning with the EPA from which it was clear that, in spite of a significant increase in dairy cow numbers since 2015, water quality has not disimproved. That is an important statement. Looking at some of...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Jackie Cahill: Mr. Cullinan said a few minutes ago that he had a number of proposals he would like to put on the table for the Minister to possibly take back to Brussels. Could he start to elaborate on that, please?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Jackie Cahill: Okay. I call Dr. O'Connell.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Jackie Cahill: Senator Daly has given a very accurate summary there. We can argue about the frequency of the tests being set out and we can argue about the terminology in this report, but if you were to ask two experts, you can always get a different version of information. The bottom line is there has been huge investment in technology and huge buy-in to different farming practices. In today's...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Jackie Cahill: I thank Dr. O'Connell and call on Mr. Herlihy.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Jackie Cahill: Our witnesses made a request earlier in the day that we would, in turn, make a request of the Minister. From my point of view, as Chairman, I am fully in favour of doing that. On the basis of what we have heard today, we will put together a request to the Minister. As Senator Paul Daly has said here today, given the time lag, the time we have to work is imperative to our argument. As the...

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