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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Forestry Programme and Strategy: Discussion (4 Oct 2023)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Okay. That is what I wanted to know. The Minister of State had a meeting with the Irish Farmers Association, IFA, Forestry Industries Ireland, FII, and the Social, Economic Environmental Forestry Association of Ireland SEEFA. Mr. Delany probably also met them. Did they give the thumbs-up to the new programme? "Yes" or "No".

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Forestry Programme and Strategy: Discussion (4 Oct 2023)

Michael Fitzmaurice: I think Mr. Delany would have met them.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Forestry Programme and Strategy: Discussion (4 Oct 2023)

Michael Fitzmaurice: All I want is a "Yes" or "No".

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Forestry Programme and Strategy: Discussion (4 Oct 2023)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Has the FII welcomed it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Forestry Programme and Strategy: Discussion (4 Oct 2023)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Has it welcomed the latest terms and conditions at the most recent meetings?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Forestry Programme and Strategy: Discussion (4 Oct 2023)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Okay, that is grand. An answer to a parliamentary question to the Minister stated that 3% would be left out, 24% are not affected and 73% will need some twisting or turning. Will that create another backlog in the Department?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Forestry Programme and Strategy: Discussion (4 Oct 2023)

Michael Fitzmaurice: How quickly will they be processed?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Forestry Programme and Strategy: Discussion (4 Oct 2023)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Yes, but how quickly? Just tell me whether it will be a week or two weeks.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Forestry Programme and Strategy: Discussion (4 Oct 2023)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Does the Department have an idea how long it will take?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Forestry Programme and Strategy: Discussion (4 Oct 2023)

Michael Fitzmaurice: The Department has already looked at the 73% and given them the go-ahead. They now have to go back for some bit of twisting or whatever has to be done.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Forestry Programme and Strategy: Discussion (4 Oct 2023)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Okay. Mr. Delany spoke to the committee earlier in the year about €1.3 billion. The announcement - as we got a bit baffled - is €304 million of aid from Brussels and the rest will be grants over 15 to 20 years. It was thrown out in the media that it would be thrown out in the next five years. The public needs to know that. On planting, if I want to apply for a licence...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Forestry Programme and Strategy: Discussion (4 Oct 2023)

Michael Fitzmaurice: I will. If my application is refused, will I be paid?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Forestry Programme and Strategy: Discussion (4 Oct 2023)

Michael Fitzmaurice: I would be out of pocket by €2,500. I talked to foresters this morning who told me that if I apply in an area and my application is refused I will be out of pocket if I do not get the go-ahead. It costs €2,500 to get the reports that are required in many areas.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Forestry Programme and Strategy: Discussion (4 Oct 2023)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Chances do not work for farmers.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Forestry Programme and Strategy: Discussion (4 Oct 2023)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Yes, but if it is not approved, the farmer does not get anything, although they have had the reports done. Is that right?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Forestry Programme and Strategy: Discussion (4 Oct 2023)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Yes, but they still have to go through the environmental parts of it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Forestry Programme and Strategy: Discussion (4 Oct 2023)

Michael Fitzmaurice: All right. I remember sitting around the audiovisual room while Mr. Delany talked about how many licences of the old licences that could come in under the de minimisaid scheme were approved. Why has there been such a lack of pick-up when Mr. Delany told us that day that there would be 7,000 ha?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Forestry Programme and Strategy: Discussion (4 Oct 2023)

Michael Fitzmaurice: In the audiovisual room, we were told that 7,000 ha were available going back a few years and that there would be a great pick-up of it because they could come in under the new scheme. What is the problem?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Forestry Programme and Strategy: Discussion (4 Oct 2023)

Michael Fitzmaurice: How many were planted this year?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Forestry Programme and Strategy: Discussion (4 Oct 2023)

Michael Fitzmaurice: It was about 1,300 ha.

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