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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: Can we write to the two Ministers to suggest there is a gap in the arrangement, whether on the local government audit side or in our role as the Comptroller and Auditor General and the Committee of Public Accounts, and that we would like to see a structure in place in which we would be involved in auditing the local government expenditure where it came directly from central funds?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: We are pointing to a gap or failure in the system and asking them to address it. When Mr. Watt was here previously, he indicated clearly that he was favourable towards changes in how our work was done.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: We will write to them first, following which we will see if we need to ask the two Secretaries General to come before us for a discussion. We will include it all in the same correspondence.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: We will copy the Departments of Finance and Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation in our correspondence because they also have a role to play in the issue. We will receive the correspondence first and, if necessary, then speak to the Secretaries General.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: No. 4 is reports, statements and accounts received since our meeting on 24 October. They include No. 4.1 - Royal Irish Academy; No. 4.2 - Dundalk Institute of Technology; No. 4.3 - financial statements from Oifig an Comisinéara Teanga; and No. 4.4 - Dublin City University. Are the accounts okay?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: We note the reports, statements and accounts received. The work programme is on the screen. A meeting has been scheduled for 6 p.m. on Tuesday, 17 December 2013 for the sub-committee to discuss NAMA. All committee members will be notified about that meeting. We have scheduled a second meeting with the HSE and the Department of Health on 27 February 2014 to examine chapter 21, budget...

Public Accounts Committee: Bord na gCon - Annual Accounts 2011 (7 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: Before we begin, I remind witnesses and those in the Visitors Gallery to turn off their mobile phones because they interfere with the sound quality of the transmission of the meeting. Witnesses are protected by absolute privilege in respect of their evidence to the committee. If they are directed by it to cease giving evidence on a particular matter and continue to do so, they are entitled...

Public Accounts Committee: Bord na gCon - Annual Accounts 2011 (7 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: I thank Mr. Neilan. May we publish both statements?

Public Accounts Committee: Bord na gCon - Annual Accounts 2011 (7 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: Perhaps the questions Deputy Nolan will ask will bring forward these facts so I ask Deputy Nolan to continue with his questions.

Public Accounts Committee: Bord na gCon - Annual Accounts 2011 (7 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: As was previously stated by Deputy Harris, I also am not against the greyhound industry. I support the industry. I support the greyhound breeders and the associated activity. This is not about jobs or the dogs industry. We understand the work that has been done. If the board is getting between €11 million and €15 million per year, then it must be spending it on something....

Public Accounts Committee: Bord na gCon - Annual Accounts 2011 (7 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: It is quite shocking to read the various reports of the activities of the Irish Greyhound Board, the boards, the losses on the sites and the deals that were done in respect of the filling and so on, because it shows a complete ignoring by you of the processes you said you would correct and put in place after your appearance here in 2008. Mr. Meaney, you said in your opening remarks that...

Public Accounts Committee: Bord na gCon - Annual Accounts 2011 (7 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: How do you account for these comments from what would seem to be two organised groups?

Public Accounts Committee: Bord na gCon - Annual Accounts 2011 (7 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: Is that what these two groups are?

Public Accounts Committee: Bord na gCon - Annual Accounts 2011 (7 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: The only reason I am asking the question is because so much has been written and so many documents have come before the members. They have been referred to by Mr. Neilan and you are aware of everything that is happening. It is important that the people who are looking at the industry and the taxpayers who are looking at how the money is spent understand that there is some response from the...

Public Accounts Committee: Bord na gCon - Annual Accounts 2011 (7 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: Is the board doing anything legally in respect of this? I am simply asking the question.

Public Accounts Committee: Bord na gCon - Annual Accounts 2011 (7 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: Mr. Neilan, I am not making that point. I am saying to you that you were before us in 2008 and you are here again this year. By all accounts, given the 2012 accounts you will be here again next year. Lessons have to be taken from this Public Accounts Committee hearing and from the Comptroller and Auditor General's report to ensure that you understand clearly the need for absolute...

Public Accounts Committee: Bord na gCon - Annual Accounts 2011 (7 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: We will see that in 2012 and in the other report. Let us consider everything that went on through the media. You are aware of the letters that everyone in the House has received from interested parties. Why did you leave it until the earlier part of this meeting to produce that report? Why did you not make that report available to each of us prior to this meeting? Is this a public...

Public Accounts Committee: Bord na gCon - Annual Accounts 2011 (7 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: You must be the only one who looks forward to meeting the Committee of Public Accounts.

Public Accounts Committee: Bord na gCon - Annual Accounts 2011 (7 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: Why did you leave it until the meeting today? Why not give us this before the meeting? It is a substantial document which requires reading.

Public Accounts Committee: Bord na gCon - Annual Accounts 2011 (7 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: I want to ask about the board meetings. How many are on the board?

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