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Written Answers — Department of Culture, Heritage and the Gaeltacht: Television Licence Fee (19 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: 46. To ask the Minister for Culture, Heritage and the Gaeltacht the progress made to date on the collection of the TV licence fee; and her strategy for improving collection. [36595/20]

Written Answers — Department of Culture, Heritage and the Gaeltacht: Television Licence Fee (19 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: 51. To ask the Minister for Culture, Heritage and the Gaeltacht if a commitment will be given to not increase the TV licence fee and to instead ensure that there is a more efficient method of collection. [36596/20]

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 – Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Central Fund Related Accounts - Revenue Account 2019
(19 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: We are joined by the Comptroller and Auditor General, Mr. Seamus McCarthy, a permanent witness to the committee. I remind all those in attendance to ensure their mobile phones are on silent mode or switched off. Today we will engage with officials from the Office of the Revenue Commissioners. The matters for examination are, from the Comptroller and Auditor General appropriation accounts...

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 – Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Central Fund Related Accounts - Revenue Account 2019
(19 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: I thank Mr. McCarthy. I now call on Mr. Cody to give his opening statement.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 – Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Central Fund Related Accounts - Revenue Account 2019
(19 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: I thank Mr. Cody for his opening statement. I also wish to join in commending his staff. They have dealt this year with an unprecedented situation in the administration of the TWSS and the EWSS and the various other changes that they have had to make. To be honest, towards the end of March some of us had doubts about how all of this was going to be managed. It was managed, and by and...

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 – Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Central Fund Related Accounts - Revenue Account 2019
(19 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: Perhaps Mr. Cody would respond in writing to Deputy Murphy's previous question. I know she has a specific interest in this area.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 – Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Central Fund Related Accounts - Revenue Account 2019
(19 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: I thank Mr. Cody and I call Deputy Dillon.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 – Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Central Fund Related Accounts - Revenue Account 2019
(19 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: The question raised by the Deputy is a very important for his constituency and for businesses in the region. Whatever Revenue can do to expedite the problem and get back to the Deputy with a satisfactory answer would be welcome.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 – Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Central Fund Related Accounts - Revenue Account 2019
(19 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: I will allow Members back in for a second round but first I wish to revisit the area of bogus self-employment. Revenue obviously collects PRSI, as I understand it, and the ESB decides the status. There would appear to be evidence to suggest that Revenue has arrangements on an ad hocbasis with different sectors and agreements with certain companies. The courier sector is one that has been...

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 – Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Central Fund Related Accounts - Revenue Account 2019
(19 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: I asked about workers with class S stamps being listed as employees. While in every other way it would have appeared that their work practices and the directions they received at work indicated that they were employees as opposed to being self-employed, what I have referred to would indicate that there was some type of arrangement reached at that time with couriers or with a group of...

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 – Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Central Fund Related Accounts - Revenue Account 2019
(19 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: The contractual arrangement does not always reflect what the worker wants because it can be a contract or an arrangement of unequals.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 – Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Central Fund Related Accounts - Revenue Account 2019
(19 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 – Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Central Fund Related Accounts - Revenue Account 2019
(19 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: Of course. Market and supply, unfortunately. Between 1998 and 2000 a lot of visits were made, particularly to construction sites. As I recall, approximately 12,000 workers were found to be misclassified as self-employed, which is in the region of 20% of the workers investigated. What has been done about that since? Mr. Cody mentioned that information for the unions is useful. The...

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 – Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Central Fund Related Accounts - Revenue Account 2019
(19 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: I think the Deputy has made the connection and hopefully she will get the two cases solved. There will be a few like that across the country.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 – Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Central Fund Related Accounts - Revenue Account 2019
(19 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: Mr. Cody might share that. Obviously, it is an issue of concern for the committee.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 – Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Central Fund Related Accounts - Revenue Account 2019
(19 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: That would be appreciated.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 – Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Central Fund Related Accounts - Revenue Account 2019
(19 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: I think it has been made clear that it is not the role of Revenue.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 – Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Central Fund Related Accounts - Revenue Account 2019
(19 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: That answers the question. The figures since 2011 that were outlined show that Revenue has made a significant leap forward in terms of-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 – Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Central Fund Related Accounts - Revenue Account 2019
(19 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: The Oireachtas has a bit of catching up to do. I will ask one brief question before Mr. Cody goes. On the legal situation with bogus self-employment, the social contract has been mentioned and the concern is that employer's PRSI in this State is, on a European-wide basis, not high. It is low compared to most of our European counterparts. It is important that is collected. Workers pay...

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 – Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Central Fund Related Accounts - Revenue Account 2019
(19 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: I am interested in Mr. Cody's reply from a Revenue point of view that he has identified it as a problem and our European counterparts are ahead in terms of-----

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