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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: A suggestion was made that we look at school transport overall, maybe at a session at some time in the new year. If members want, we can ask for the issue to be pencilled in on our long work programme. Would members be happy with that? It would give us a chance to consider the issues that have been raised around this matter in the meantime. There are some good things about the school...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: That requires further consideration.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: I was going to propose that because people want to have another look at this. For now, we will note the correspondence, members can consider it and we will ask for a legal opinion on it from the parliamentary legal adviser. Is that agreed? Agreed. The next item of correspondence is No. 186, from an individual and dated 25 October 2020, alleging that bonds pertaining to a development...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: We should ask him about that because some of those bonds were not worth the paper they were written on. The taxpayer had to pick up the tab and local authorities, out of their own budgets, had to finish off the estates. The bonds literally evaporated and had no great legal standing.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: I had a lot of heartache with them myself.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: I ask that the clerk would flag that up as part of the invite for next week. We will put the Department on notice that we want to talk to it about bonds, why they are not as secure as they need to be, and why there have been so many problems with them.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: It is a local government matter but the bill for unfinished estates ended up in Departments and the Department with responsibility for housing and the environment has had to supply substantial funds in recent years to deal with that. It is an issue we will ask the Department to deal with when it is before the committee. It is to be hoped we can try to make some headway with it on that day.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: That is useful, thank you. No. 187 is correspondence copied from Marlet Property, dated 17 August 2020, regarding the sale of a long leasehold interest in a property in Tara Street, Dublin 2. It is proposed to note this as there is no specific request to the committee to deal with it. Is that agreed? Deputy Murphy might have a concern on this.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: We will circulate that. No. 192 from Deputy Catherine Murphy, dated 5 November 2020, is in regard to correspondence from the Minister for Justice concerning the number of drivers detected driving while disqualified. It is proposed to proceed as requested by Deputy Murphy, including forwarding the correspondence to the Joint Committee on Justice for any action it deems appropriate. Is that...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: The correspondence states that they cannot buy a bag of cement or shovel without the authority of NAMA. I am sure that is overstating it a bit but they are trying to make a point in the correspondence.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: Will Deputy Carthy outline his proposal?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: Is that agreed? Agreed. That concludes our consideration of correspondence. No. 5 on the agenda is the work programme of upcoming engagements, which is displayed on members' screens. We will meet with the Revenue Commissioners tomorrow and engage with the Department of Housing, Local Government and Heritage over two days, 25 and 26 November. I propose that on the first day we take Vote...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: The Comptroller and Auditor General is happy enough to have that done. We then have one public engagement left before the end of the year, which is on 17 December. Given the amount of ground to cover with the HSE it might be best to hold that over until January and to do it over two days. If members decide to move the meeting with the HSE on 17 December to a double session, we need to...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: In this case, with the Accounting Officer-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: That is what we were proposing. I should have said that. We would have the Department of Justice, the Prison Service and then chapter 7 of the Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2019 on catering and ancillary services in prisons. We would have the Secretary General in the Department of Justice and the Irish Prison Service. Are members satisfied with that?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: Can we ask the clerk to the committee to take note of that and work that out as part of the invitation? Invitations are sent out but there is always tick-tacking with the secretariat. The clerk and his staff will move quickly on that to try to separate those out as much as possible. That is the Irish Prison Service. The proposal is that we try to use that double session approach where we...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: Do other members have views on that?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: There are two proposals, one on the agency staff and the other, which is quite separate. There are the section 38 and the section 39 organisations.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: Is the committee happy to go with that piece of work with the HSE for 17 December? I will ask the clerk to try to arrange that for 17 December with the HSE. There will be further dates. I would imagine we will want to invite in witnesses from the HSE to discuss a number of issues. We had them here previously and it was very useful but with the pandemic and everything else, there is a big...

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