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Committee on Defence and National Security: General Scheme of the Defence (Amendment) Bill 2025: Discussion (Resumed) (12 Jun 2025)

Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire: Yes, do please.

Committee on Defence and National Security: General Scheme of the Defence (Amendment) Bill 2025: Discussion (Resumed) (12 Jun 2025)

Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire: Will the Senator wait one second? I understand this is potentially a heated debate but I do not think we need to assume bad faith regarding statements that are entered into the committee.

Committee on Defence and National Security: General Scheme of the Defence (Amendment) Bill 2025: Discussion (Resumed) (12 Jun 2025)

Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire: The Senator is entitled to but-----

Committee on Defence and National Security: General Scheme of the Defence (Amendment) Bill 2025: Discussion (Resumed) (12 Jun 2025)

Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire: -----in a plain English reading there is nothing there that infers bad faith on the part of-----

Committee on Defence and National Security: General Scheme of the Defence (Amendment) Bill 2025: Discussion (Resumed) (12 Jun 2025)

Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire: -----other academics or members of the committee so I do not think we need to infer bad faith.

Committee on Defence and National Security: General Scheme of the Defence (Amendment) Bill 2025: Discussion (Resumed) (12 Jun 2025)

Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire: I do not wish to open up the discussion.

Committee on Defence and National Security: General Scheme of the Defence (Amendment) Bill 2025: Discussion (Resumed) (12 Jun 2025)

Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire: Okay.

Committee on Defence and National Security: General Scheme of the Defence (Amendment) Bill 2025: Discussion (Resumed) (12 Jun 2025)

Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire: Is it a point of order?

Committee on Defence and National Security: General Scheme of the Defence (Amendment) Bill 2025: Discussion (Resumed) (12 Jun 2025)

Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire: We are straying from a point of order.

Committee on Defence and National Security: General Scheme of the Defence (Amendment) Bill 2025: Discussion (Resumed) (12 Jun 2025)

Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire: I thank the Senator.

Committee on Defence and National Security: General Scheme of the Defence (Amendment) Bill 2025: Discussion (Resumed) (12 Jun 2025)

Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire: With respect, I am not totally sure that is a point of order. I understand the point the Senator made in the context of clarification. We can have political discussions. We will move on. I will briefly make the point that it is a standard part of debate in these Houses to quote opposing political views. I am not sure that any bad faith was ascribed. However, for the avoidance of any...

Committee on Defence and National Security: General Scheme of the Defence (Amendment) Bill 2025: Discussion (Resumed) (12 Jun 2025)

Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire: I thank Deputy Brabazon. Top marks for timekeeping. We will go the second round now as I think all indicating members have spoken. I call Senators Higgins and then Craughwell. Other members may indicate if they wish. We have approximately 40 minutes. Deputy Stanley has indicated.

Committee on Defence and National Security: General Scheme of the Defence (Amendment) Bill 2025: Discussion (Resumed) (12 Jun 2025)

Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire: Briefly.

Committee on Defence and National Security: General Scheme of the Defence (Amendment) Bill 2025: Discussion (Resumed) (12 Jun 2025)

Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire: I ask Professor Murphy to do so as briefly as he can.

Committee on Defence and National Security: General Scheme of the Defence (Amendment) Bill 2025: Discussion (Resumed) (12 Jun 2025)

Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire: We are probably okay. They could give us a minute each.

Committee on Defence and National Security: General Scheme of the Defence (Amendment) Bill 2025: Discussion (Resumed) (12 Jun 2025)

Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire: I thank Professor Murphy. We will have a brief contribution from Dr. Devine.

Committee on Defence and National Security: General Scheme of the Defence (Amendment) Bill 2025: Discussion (Resumed) (12 Jun 2025)

Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire: I do not think we sorted anything like that. The Senator made that assertion, which he is entitled to do, but I do not think that is the settled view of the committee. It would be news if that was the case.

Committee on Defence and National Security: General Scheme of the Defence (Amendment) Bill 2025: Discussion (Resumed) (12 Jun 2025)

Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire: I will allow Dr. Devine and Professor Maguire a brief response. We were in Deputy Stanley's time. We will then move on to Deputy Gibney.

Committee on Defence and National Security: General Scheme of the Defence (Amendment) Bill 2025: Discussion (Resumed) (12 Jun 2025)

Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire: We can return to that matter. I call on Deputy Gibney.

Committee on Defence and National Security: General Scheme of the Defence (Amendment) Bill 2025: Discussion (Resumed) (12 Jun 2025)

Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire: I am just conscious of the time. I have one more indication and I would like to make a brief contribution myself. Will I direct that question to the three-----

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