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Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (7 Apr 2022)

Sharon Keogan: All right. This language-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (7 Apr 2022)

Sharon Keogan: I am well aware of the sensitivity of the subject. This is what it was referred to by Mr. Mykola Kuleba, Ukraine's Commissioner of the President of Ukraine for Children's Rights.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (7 Apr 2022)

Sharon Keogan: Ukraine has a culture-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (7 Apr 2022)

Sharon Keogan: I know, but this is his language. He basically said that Ukraine has become a supermarket for surrogacy.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (7 Apr 2022)

Sharon Keogan: A child is already becoming a commodity, but a woman is an incubator that has to carry this product for someone. That is what he said. In addition, there is a human rights ombudsman for Ukraine's Parliament who basically said that Ukraine is just turning into an online store for little ones. This is very concerning. Perhaps a better way, surely, is to have countries such as Ukraine agree...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (7 Apr 2022)

Sharon Keogan: Does Professor O'Mahony agree-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (7 Apr 2022)

Sharon Keogan: -----that there are already international agreements in place? Are there or are there not?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (7 Apr 2022)

Sharon Keogan: These were words used by international experts and legal experts and an ombudsman. One cannot deny what is happening here in Ireland.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Apr 2022)

Sharon Keogan: I thank both witnesses very much for their statements. Regarding pre-birth and post-birth systems of transferring parentage rights from the surrogate mother to the intending parents, can best balance be provided to protect the rights of the intending parents and of the surrogate mother? Does either system have particular benefits with regard to protecting the rights of children born through...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Apr 2022)

Sharon Keogan: There is one question for Ms Gamble and the question on the transfer of pre-birth and post-birth parental rights is for Dr. Horsey.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Apr 2022)

Sharon Keogan: Yes. May I speak again?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Apr 2022)

Sharon Keogan: Some 400 paternal orders are made each year through the English court system. This is with regard to Ms Gamble's statement, in which she said half of those are through UK surrogacy agreements and the other half are through international agreements. Further on then she said that 69% are international surrogacy arrangements. I want Ms Gamble to correct the actual figure on that. Is it 50%...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Apr 2022)

Sharon Keogan: Is Senator Ruane familiar with the Ukraine system?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Apr 2022)

Sharon Keogan: She is familiar, okay. She knows how much that industry is worth in the UK.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Apr 2022)

Sharon Keogan: I am addressing the witnesses. I thank the Chairman. I will rest there and let them comment.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Apr 2022)

Sharon Keogan: So the birth mother is inconsequential.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Apr 2022)

Sharon Keogan: The birth certificate does not actually reflect that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Apr 2022)

Sharon Keogan: Ms Gamble said: "It is easy to make ethical choices when one is wealthy". I suppose this concerns informed consent and the capacity to consent. Does Ms Gamble acknowledge that women could be exploited because of economic circumstances when it comes to-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Apr 2022)

Sharon Keogan: I am sorry-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Apr 2022)

Sharon Keogan: Ms Gamble made that comment.

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