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Ceisteanna Eile - Other Questions: Childcare Services (17 Nov 2022)

Roderic O'Gorman: The very small number of parents who are using childminders registered with Tusla are able to avail of it already. The Deputy stated that the first phase is set out until 2024. I have asked my officials to see if we can condense that phase as much as possible. I am conscious that many parents using childminders will see the support that parents using centre-based care are getting and will...

Ceisteanna Eile - Other Questions: Childcare Services (17 Nov 2022)

Roderic O'Gorman: The Deputy is correct that many people - it is primarily women - who enter childminding do so on an ad hocbasis. What we are talking about here, however, is that when the ad hocbasis is supported by State money through the NCS and we are providing a subsidy towards that, we have to have guarantees in terms of the quality of provision. There has to be something of that kind when it come to...

Ceisteanna Eile - Other Questions: Children in Care (17 Nov 2022)

Roderic O'Gorman: Foster care is the preferred option for children who cannot live with their parents or guardians. Approximately 89% of children in care are currently being cared for by foster carers, enabling them to live in a safe, secure and stable home environment. Foster care provision in an Irish context can be described as general foster care or relative foster care. In the case of general foster...

Ceisteanna Eile - Other Questions: Children in Care (17 Nov 2022)

Roderic O'Gorman: Tusla is doing a very significant piece of work on the whole area of alternative care. It is bringing forward three key documents, namely, the document on residential care that was published a couple of months ago, the foster care plan we talked about that has just been published, and a document on aftercare. These are the three core elements of alternative care. It might be useful to...

Ceisteanna Eile - Other Questions: Children in Care (17 Nov 2022)

Roderic O'Gorman: I would certainly be happy to engage with the joint committee on this issue. We can continue to be reasonably proud as country that when children are taken into care, 89% of them go to foster care rather than residential. That is a strong proportion compared to other European countries. We want to avoid any child going into care but where it is necessary, it is good that it is in a family...

Ceisteanna Eile - Other Questions: Departmental Bodies (17 Nov 2022)

Roderic O'Gorman: As the Deputy is aware, responsibility for the delivery of child protection and welfare services is a matter for Tusla, the Child and Family Agency. The Children First Act 2015 provides for a number of key child protection measures, including raising awareness of child abuse and neglect, providing for mandated reporting of child protection concerns and improving child protection arrangements...

Ceisteanna Eile - Other Questions: Departmental Bodies (17 Nov 2022)

Roderic O'Gorman: I am sure the Deputy will understand that I am reluctant to comment in the House on the specific details of a case I am not at all familiar with. I am happy to engage with him should he wish to give me an update. Unlike him, with his degree of experience, I have not attended a Tusla conference as an elected representative so I am not quite sure what the processes and procedures are there....

Ceisteanna Eile - Other Questions: Departmental Bodies (17 Nov 2022)

Roderic O'Gorman: I will engage with the Deputy and look into that matter further. His interventions will always be welcome.

Select Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Mother and Baby Institutions Payment Scheme Bill 2022: Committee Stage (15 Nov 2022)

Roderic O'Gorman: In respect of the request that we review subsections 13(1) and 13(2) and the timeline set out there, I have made the point - I know that Deputies may not agree with it and that is obviously legitimate - that this scheme and the institutional payment scheme are one part of the State's response to what happened in these institutions. We have the 22 actions set out in the action plan. They...

Select Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Mother and Baby Institutions Payment Scheme Bill 2022: Committee Stage (15 Nov 2022)

Roderic O'Gorman: I do not agree with the Deputy. The range of measures we are putting forward in the action plan constitute redress. The measures we are talking about in this legislation constitute a financial payment in terms of redress. However, with regard to accessing information and seeking to deal with the fundamental issues survivors have identified over the years, that is redress. It represents...

Select Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Mother and Baby Institutions Payment Scheme Bill 2022: Committee Stage (15 Nov 2022)

Roderic O'Gorman: -----by these institutions.

Select Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Mother and Baby Institutions Payment Scheme Bill 2022: Committee Stage (15 Nov 2022)

Roderic O'Gorman: We made a decision regarding the format of the scheme early on to base it on time spent in an institution.

Select Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Mother and Baby Institutions Payment Scheme Bill 2022: Committee Stage (15 Nov 2022)

Roderic O'Gorman: Because did not wish to go for an adversarial system that had been used in-----

Select Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Mother and Baby Institutions Payment Scheme Bill 2022: Committee Stage (15 Nov 2022)

Roderic O'Gorman: -----schemes in Ireland and other countries. I will point to the fact that more adversarial schemes that relied on the provision of evidence of-----

Select Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Mother and Baby Institutions Payment Scheme Bill 2022: Committee Stage (15 Nov 2022)

Roderic O'Gorman: The sort of schemes that relied on evidence being brought forward have been replaced. The stolen generation scheme in Australia originally used an evidence-based approach but moved to a time-based approach, talking about a common experience. We believe a time-based approach is the right way to go to recognise the impact on individuals of time spent in these institutions. That is the basis...

Select Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Mother and Baby Institutions Payment Scheme Bill 2022: Committee Stage (15 Nov 2022)

Roderic O'Gorman: I will speak to amendments Nos. 8, 9, 20 and 26 together. This Bill provides for the establishment of an office of the chief deciding officer of the mother and baby institution payment scheme within my Department. The office will be overseen by a chief deciding officer who will perform the functions set out in section 9. Importantly, this section states that the chief deciding officer will...

Select Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Mother and Baby Institutions Payment Scheme Bill 2022: Committee Stage (15 Nov 2022)

Roderic O'Gorman: I take this point on board. I do not think it necessarily requires a statutory basis. As the Deputy said, many State agencies have routes, such as dedicated email addresses, for Oireachtas members to ensure there are clear channels of communication. It is important because the Deputy stated not everybody can advocate for themselves. I go back to what we see as being the simplicity of this...

Select Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Mother and Baby Institutions Payment Scheme Bill 2022: Committee Stage (15 Nov 2022)

Roderic O'Gorman: I will ask that that broad point be reflected in the design of the systems that are being established. I take the Deputy's point.

Select Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Mother and Baby Institutions Payment Scheme Bill 2022: Committee Stage (15 Nov 2022)

Roderic O'Gorman: I wish to flag that I intend to table an amendment to section 13(6) on Report Stage to take account of technical discussions between my officials and officials from the Department of Education. This subsection refers to the double recovery rule and the inclusion of one institution - St. Patrick's, Navan Road, Pelletstown - in that. We are looking to make a change.

Select Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Mother and Baby Institutions Payment Scheme Bill 2022: Committee Stage (15 Nov 2022)

Roderic O'Gorman: There may be a need for clarification. Section 15(4)(b) is a positive provision and removing it would negatively impact on the Bill. As such, I am opposing the amendment. Section 15 provides for an applicant to make a further application to the scheme where another institution in which he or she resided is added to the list of institutions covered by the scheme in Schedule 1. There is a...

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