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Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 42 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 12 - Vote Accounting
Chapter 13 - Procurement without a Competitive Process
(3 Oct 2013)

John McGuinness: How much were they being paid?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 42 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 12 - Vote Accounting
Chapter 13 - Procurement without a Competitive Process
(3 Oct 2013)

John McGuinness: I respect all that, but I am asking a specific question.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 42 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 12 - Vote Accounting
Chapter 13 - Procurement without a Competitive Process
(3 Oct 2013)

John McGuinness: Will Mr. Watt provide an indication of the reasoning behind this via letter or whatever?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 42 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 12 - Vote Accounting
Chapter 13 - Procurement without a Competitive Process
(3 Oct 2013)

John McGuinness: It is our job to investigate when we see money being spent poorly, regardless of the number of councillors. Somebody has to cry "Stop." In the context of the figures we have seen, I, as Chairman, and the other members are of the view that someone must cry "Stop" because otherwise what is happening will just continue. I made reference to the Poolbeg project, the cost of which is running at...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 42 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 12 - Vote Accounting
Chapter 13 - Procurement without a Competitive Process
(3 Oct 2013)

John McGuinness: And I respect that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 42 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 12 - Vote Accounting
Chapter 13 - Procurement without a Competitive Process
(3 Oct 2013)

John McGuinness: I am sure the Comptroller and Auditor General can answer that criticism.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 42 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 12 - Vote Accounting
Chapter 13 - Procurement without a Competitive Process
(3 Oct 2013)

John McGuinness: Why do we not then list the number of people on trolleys? Why not list the number of people who cannot have operations?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 42 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 12 - Vote Accounting
Chapter 13 - Procurement without a Competitive Process
(3 Oct 2013)

John McGuinness: Why not list the number of people who cannot have operations because money is being wasted by the system? Look at people waiting for nine months in respect of social welfare. Look at the staggering ongoing yearly cost of fraud and error within social welfare. I went to the bother of driving down to County Tipperary to see a particular project because, like Mr. Watt, I am hands on and like...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 42 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 12 - Vote Accounting
Chapter 13 - Procurement without a Competitive Process
(3 Oct 2013)

John McGuinness: I will just finish, as I will not raise this in any detailed way. While I will do so later on, I am conscious of the time and acknowledge Mr. Watt has been in attendance for a long time. I respect that and did not realise it was close to 2 p.m. There is a cost associated with school transport but I have failed to get to the end of it in respect of the relevant Department in terms of how it...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 42 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 12 - Vote Accounting
Chapter 13 - Procurement without a Competitive Process
(3 Oct 2013)

John McGuinness: Last year, I think it was €260 million.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 42 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 12 - Vote Accounting
Chapter 13 - Procurement without a Competitive Process
(3 Oct 2013)

John McGuinness: Does Mr. Watt have concerns about the amount of money going into such a company? Are we getting value for money? Is the money being spent correctly? I would ask the same questions about the school transport system. Is it profitable? For what are we paying them? How does the Department gauge if it is profitable to do this? The Committee of Public Accounts could not get all of the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 42 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 12 - Vote Accounting
Chapter 13 - Procurement without a Competitive Process
(3 Oct 2013)

John McGuinness: Will Mr. Watt check and tell me what happened in the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform following our discussion of school transport? What changes are proposed?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 42 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 12 - Vote Accounting
Chapter 13 - Procurement without a Competitive Process
(3 Oct 2013)

John McGuinness: I am not talking about reductions but accountability for the money being spent, whether it be €10 or €1 million. Is Mr. Watt satisfied, as the Secretary General of the Department that oversees all expenditure, with the way expenditure is being accounted for and that everything is in order? I am bringing to his attention that the committee examined the expenditure on school...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 42 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 12 - Vote Accounting
Chapter 13 - Procurement without a Competitive Process
(3 Oct 2013)

John McGuinness: Is it agreed to dispose of Vote 7, Vote 42 and chapters 6, 12 and 13 of the annual report of the Comptroller and Auditor General? Agreed. My thanks to the witnesses.

Written Answers — Department of Education and Skills: Student Universal Support Ireland Administration (8 Oct 2013)

John McGuinness: 79. To ask the Minister for Education and Skills if he is satisfied that Student Universal Support Ireland will fulfil its obligations on time this year; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [42245/13]

Written Answers — Department of Public Expenditure and Reform: Office of Public Works Properties (8 Oct 2013)

John McGuinness: 273. To ask the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform if the Office of Public Works has completed the transfer of lands to Kilkenny Borough Council in respect of a housing estate (details supplied) in County Kilkenny. [41946/13]

Written Answers — Department of Justice and Equality: Criminal Injuries Compensation Tribunal Awards (8 Oct 2013)

John McGuinness: 435. To ask the Minister for Justice and Equality the position regarding the Criminal Injuries Board; the number of Board members and their qualifications; the number of cases the Board deals with each year; and the number of cases pending. [41944/13]

Written Answers — Department of Health: Medical Card Applications (8 Oct 2013)

John McGuinness: 540. To ask the Minister for Health if a medical card will be approved in respect of a person (details supplied) in County Kilkenny. [41945/13]

Other Questions: National Procurement Service Savings (9 Oct 2013)

John McGuinness: 12. To ask the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform the savings that will be achieved from procurement efficiencies in 2013 and 2014; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [42497/13]

Written Answers — Department of Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Joint Labour Committees Agreements (10 Oct 2013)

John McGuinness: 25. To ask the Minister for Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation his plans to deal with the court ruling on joint labour committees; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [42732/13]

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