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Seanad: Air Navigation and Transport Bill 2020: Committee Stage (Resumed) (2 Feb 2022)

Gerry Horkan: I left a private committee meeting to come here to chair this session. I am aware of the letters, the requests and so on. I can only deal with the order of the day as it is proposed. If an amendment to it is proposed and the House deals with it, so be it, but it needs to come from-----

Seanad: Air Navigation and Transport Bill 2020: Committee Stage (Resumed) (2 Feb 2022)

Gerry Horkan: I am not sure whether the Senator can, but I believe the Leader can propose a change to the order if she so chooses, but that is a matter for her.

Seanad: Air Navigation and Transport Bill 2020: Committee Stage (Resumed) (2 Feb 2022)

Gerry Horkan: Does the Leader wish to contribute?

Seanad: Air Navigation and Transport Bill 2020: Committee Stage (Resumed) (2 Feb 2022)

Gerry Horkan: It has been the case previously. In the previous Seanad, the then Leader would often come to the Chamber with a proposal to amend the order.

Seanad: Air Navigation and Transport Bill 2020: Committee Stage (Resumed) (2 Feb 2022)

Gerry Horkan: Regularly. That does happen and has happened.

Seanad: Air Navigation and Transport Bill 2020: Committee Stage (Resumed) (2 Feb 2022)

Gerry Horkan: Senator Doherty is the Leader of the House. As the Leader, if she makes a proposal, it is more likely to be secured because, generally speaking, the Leader of the House is more likely to command a majority than anyone else.

Seanad: Air Navigation and Transport Bill 2020: Committee Stage (Resumed) (2 Feb 2022)

Gerry Horkan: If Senator Craughwell proposed his amendment to the Leader and she accepted it, that would also be an acceptable mechanism.

Seanad: Air Navigation and Transport Bill 2020: Committee Stage (Resumed) (2 Feb 2022)

Gerry Horkan: I have just been advised that what I thought was correct is correct. Procedurally, the Leader of the House has to propose an amendment to the Order of Business. If the Leader does so and the House accepts it, the order of the day will be changed.

Seanad: Air Navigation and Transport Bill 2020: Committee Stage (Resumed) (2 Feb 2022)

Gerry Horkan: Through the Chair. Senator Craughwell might outline to me what he would like the Leader to propose.

Seanad: Air Navigation and Transport Bill 2020: Committee Stage (Resumed) (2 Feb 2022)

Gerry Horkan: It might be fair to the Minister of State to allow her to make a contribution before we take the Leader's amendment, if that is agreeable.

Seanad: Air Navigation and Transport Bill 2020: Committee Stage (Resumed) (2 Feb 2022)

Gerry Horkan: It is a fluid situation. Would the Minister of State like to contribute on the matters outlined so far?

Seanad: Air Navigation and Transport Bill 2020: Committee Stage (Resumed) (2 Feb 2022)

Gerry Horkan: I thank the Minister of State. As a former Senator, she is more than familiar with the workings of this House.

Seanad: Air Navigation and Transport Bill 2020: Committee Stage (Resumed) (2 Feb 2022)

Gerry Horkan: It is fair for me to make this point as the Acting Chairperson. Without any suggestion that we do not follow the course of action outlined, there are Government amendments proposed for the legislation by the Minister of State and they will, most likely, be accepted by the House. It would then go back as amended legislation to the Dáil and its Members would be dealing with it at a...

Seanad: Air Navigation and Transport Bill 2020: Committee Stage (Resumed) (2 Feb 2022)

Gerry Horkan: It does not take away from the Senator's point that it might be useful for the committee to discuss this further. I am just saying it is not the case that Deputies will not have the opportunity to discuss this legislation again. They definitely will.

Seanad: Air Navigation and Transport Bill 2020: Committee Stage (Resumed) (2 Feb 2022)

Gerry Horkan: I have been advised, although I would have been aware of this anyway, that the Bill is on Committee Stage and not in pre-legislative scrutiny. If it goes to the committee, it would be on Committee Stage and Senators would not have a role at that point. With a pure Committee Stage, it would go to the select committee.

Seanad: Air Navigation and Transport Bill 2020: Committee Stage (Resumed) (2 Feb 2022)

Gerry Horkan: Does Senator Boylan wish to comment at this point?

Seanad: Air Navigation and Transport Bill 2020: Committee Stage (Resumed) (2 Feb 2022)

Gerry Horkan: Does Senator Dooley wish to comment?

Seanad: Air Navigation and Transport Bill 2020: Committee Stage (Resumed) (2 Feb 2022)

Gerry Horkan: I am absolutely in the hands of everybody in this Chamber and I am only following the Order of Business as proposed. I happen to be a member of the transport committee, although I am neutral when chairing the Seanad. I understand totally the concerns coming from IALPA and members of the committee. If I were sitting down there instead of up here, I would probably be saying some of what is...

Seanad: Air Navigation and Transport Bill 2020: Committee Stage (Resumed) (2 Feb 2022)

Gerry Horkan: I have a proposed wording, if the Leader wishes to make a proposal.

Seanad: Air Navigation and Transport Bill 2020: Committee Stage (Resumed) (2 Feb 2022)

Gerry Horkan: The Leader may propose that, notwithstanding the order of the House today, the debate on No. 2 be now adjourned.

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