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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture and Food: TB Eradication Programme: Discussion (18 Jun 2025)

Paraic Brady: I thank Mr. O'Mahony, Dr. Barrett and Mr. Cronin. They are very welcome to this forum. I will throw a couple of quick questions at them. Does the Department accept that mistakes were made in the vaccination programme? When vaccinating in the past, the Department vaccinated badgers that carried TB.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture and Food: TB Eradication Programme: Discussion (18 Jun 2025)

Paraic Brady: We have changed that already.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture and Food: TB Eradication Programme: Discussion (18 Jun 2025)

Paraic Brady: Dr. Barrett has stated that this is now being changed. Why would the Department change something if it is working? We have made mistakes and vaccinated badgers. Let us be truthful in this forum because truth is what is needed. We have vaccinated badgers that already carried TB. If that is the case, that is the case. To answer the question, yes, we have, if they ask.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture and Food: TB Eradication Programme: Discussion (18 Jun 2025)

Paraic Brady: Now we have changed and we are testing badgers on site at this moment to see whether they have TB. If they have TB and test positive, they are culled and, if they do not have TB on site, they are vaccinated and released. Is that correct?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture and Food: TB Eradication Programme: Discussion (18 Jun 2025)

Paraic Brady: On the cost of testing a badger, there is one person from the divisional veterinary office, DVO, one person from the farm services and someone else, so a total of three people on site. Is that correct?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture and Food: TB Eradication Programme: Discussion (18 Jun 2025)

Paraic Brady: It takes about six hours to do the test.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture and Food: TB Eradication Programme: Discussion (18 Jun 2025)

Paraic Brady: When the badger is caught-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture and Food: TB Eradication Programme: Discussion (18 Jun 2025)

Paraic Brady: When the smear is checked that morning and the badger is caught, the Department vet is not there at that point.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture and Food: TB Eradication Programme: Discussion (18 Jun 2025)

Paraic Brady: -----and has to come to the sett. When the vet comes to the sett - I am sure they are not on call 24-7 - the animal has to be tested. It takes 15 to 20 minutes to test the animal. Is that correct?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture and Food: TB Eradication Programme: Discussion (18 Jun 2025)

Paraic Brady: Then the animal is either tagged, vaccinated and let out, or slaughtered. That is correct.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture and Food: TB Eradication Programme: Discussion (18 Jun 2025)

Paraic Brady: This does not happen. There is a timeframe. The Department has to come from wherever it is to the site. There is a cost to this.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture and Food: TB Eradication Programme: Discussion (18 Jun 2025)

Paraic Brady: A previous speaker informed the witnesses that we understood from the last meeting we had that there would be a helpline in the Department for any farmer who went down with TB. I will come to Mr. O'Mahony with that question. Will there be a helpline in the Department?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture and Food: TB Eradication Programme: Discussion (18 Jun 2025)

Paraic Brady: I did not understand that from what Mr. O'Mahony said earlier, when someone asked about the mental health aspect.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture and Food: TB Eradication Programme: Discussion (18 Jun 2025)

Paraic Brady: Okay, I am just clarifying that. A helpline will be set up for farmers.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture and Food: TB Eradication Programme: Discussion (18 Jun 2025)

Paraic Brady: We are already proposing to close off the badger setts. Is that also correct? They will be wired up. Will that proposal be implemented?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture and Food: TB Eradication Programme: Discussion (18 Jun 2025)

Paraic Brady: If farmers have an outbreak on their farms, is there a compensation package to fence off the sett?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture and Food: TB Eradication Programme: Discussion (18 Jun 2025)

Paraic Brady: On categorisation, can we accept that most outbreaks are in dairy herds?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture and Food: TB Eradication Programme: Discussion (18 Jun 2025)

Paraic Brady: Okay. In the categorisation, are we proposing that specific marts will be held for cattle with TB? Will people be bringing cattle that have TB to specific marts?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture and Food: TB Eradication Programme: Discussion (18 Jun 2025)

Paraic Brady: That is not proposed.

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