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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: Okay, it all happened on 4 August.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: When in August?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: Of the letter, okay.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: Is Ms Hardiman referring to the HSE investigation?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: I presume that Ms Hardiman was going to act in that as a liaison for the terms of reference. Originally, before she stepped back, what was her role in that regard?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: Who has now taken on that role?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: To go back, CHI informed the HSE and the HPRA on 4 August.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: I must also say, if people are putting in their notes for later work, that the HPRA has made itself incredibly peripheral to the discussion and I do not accept that it is peripheral actually. The HPRA is the regulator here. We have more work to do with the HPRA. With regard to the families who were directly affected by the process, on what date were they informed?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: All of us in this room are aware of how the open disclosure process works and that it was coming into place at the time. On what date were those parents informed?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: That is 17 families.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: On what date were they informed there was an issue?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: What was that time?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: Was that three weeks in August or is that three weeks in-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: That was to the middle of September with those 19 families.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: For those families indirectly affected, who are in that scheme or sector, but are not particularly affected or directly affected, when was that outreach undertaken?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: No. There are families who are not directly affected or were not within that cohort of 19 families, but who are significantly concerned by this because they might have children with scoliosis or spina bifida. When was that outreach done?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: I am sorry but how long has this issue been in the public domain? Is it more than ten days?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: Yesterday. I hate to say this in the context of the families, but I probably had more information than the families who have small children affected by this.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: I feel really sorry for those families. That is really awful. I have a child who has special needs and I really feel bad for those families. I am very sorry to hear that. The State has let them down. In 2022 there were 509 surgeries. Is that correct? Yes. What is the forecast then for 2023?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: I do not mean to talk across the witness but was it not already a two-year plan, which is the scoliosis and spina bifida plan of 2023-2024, building on 2022? Was that already a two-year plan?

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