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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Stephen Donnelly: It is, but the question of who is in charge is also important.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Stephen Donnelly: Who is in charge? Is the board ultimately in charge?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Stephen Donnelly: Can the Government stop the works? Is the Cabinet ultimately in charge?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Stephen Donnelly: It has been apprised but who is in charge? We are also being apprised but we are not in charge. Who is in charge? Ms Conroy said the National Paediatric Hospital Development Board, chaired by Mr. Tom Costello, is ultimately charge of the project.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Stephen Donnelly: It is chaired by the same Secretary General who could not appear at this meeting because he is interviewing people. Is that correct?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Stephen Donnelly: Yes, but on a separate issue. Has anyone on the project and programme steering board, the hospital project and programme board, the National Paediatric Hospital Development Board or the children's hospital group been asked to resign over the additional €1 billion cost for not a single additional bed?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Stephen Donnelly: Has anyone been sanctioned in any way for the increase of more than €1 billion in costs without a single extra hospital bed?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Stephen Donnelly: I understand, but my question is whether there has been any sanction against anybody on any of these boards, groups, committees or programme steering groups.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Stephen Donnelly: In April 2016, the then Minister for Health and current Taoiseach, Deputy Varadkar, stated on the "Six One News" that the total cost of the project would be €650 million. He stated that included the satellites, VAT, a contingency for inflation and a general contingency for unforeseen events. In two years, the cost has gone from €650 million to more than €1.7 billion,...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Stephen Donnelly: No, the question specifically relates to the €1.73 billion. When did that figure emerge?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Stephen Donnelly: To €1.73 billion.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Stephen Donnelly: When did the figures of €1.43 billion or €1.73 billion emerge?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Stephen Donnelly: From the development board.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Stephen Donnelly: When was a review commenced? It is clear that something had gone wrong. I know Ms Conroy does not accept that it is a catastrophic failure of management but this is the definition of a catastrophic failure of management. We appear to be spending an additional €1 billion for nothing. If a builder told anyone that it would no longer cost €400,000 to build a house but rather it...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Stephen Donnelly: When did the review start?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Stephen Donnelly: A review of what is going on. The cost rose from €650 million to €1.7 billion in two years. We have been told by the Taoiseach that a review of how it could conceivably have happened has been commenced. When did it start?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Stephen Donnelly: Did nobody look-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Stephen Donnelly: I thank Ms Conroy.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Stephen Donnelly: I have a final question for the HSE and the Department. Our guests can give me a quick answer. Given what we now know, do they believe that the development board is up to the task? Do they believe changes are required on the development board?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Stephen Donnelly: Obviously, it is clearly not a competency-based board. It is about to build the most expensive hospital per bed in the world. Clearly, it is not competent in what it is doing. That is why we are here. Does Ms Conroy really believe it is still up to the job?

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