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Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(9 Dec 2020)

Verona Murphy: Could those figures be forwarded to the committee as well?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(9 Dec 2020)

Verona Murphy: Thank you.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(9 Dec 2020)

Verona Murphy: I have a brief question on the judicial appointments commission. A little over €250,000 was set aside but the commission has not been formed. Has there been any spend on that to date?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(9 Dec 2020)

Verona Murphy: I thought the legislation was enacted in 2019.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(9 Dec 2020)

Verona Murphy: That is fine. To return to the legal aid issue, I am a little inquisitive about the Garda station legal aid scheme. Who sanctions that? How is it structured?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(9 Dec 2020)

Verona Murphy: The board administers it on behalf of the Department but it is still sanctioned at the Garda station.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(9 Dec 2020)

Verona Murphy: At what level is this sanctioned? Is it sanctioned by a junior garda or a superintendent?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(9 Dec 2020)

Verona Murphy: Does Ms McPhillips have any idea of how many cases were covered by that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(9 Dec 2020)

Verona Murphy: The expenditure is about €1.7 million

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(9 Dec 2020)

Verona Murphy: That is significant. What controls are in place to oversee that expenditure?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(9 Dec 2020)

Verona Murphy: So there is a form of control.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(9 Dec 2020)

Verona Murphy: Has any consideration been given to putting this on a statutory footing? Would Ms McPhillips recommend doing so?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(9 Dec 2020)

Verona Murphy: I appreciate that, but it is not on a statutory footing. Should it be?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(9 Dec 2020)

Verona Murphy: Expenditure on training and development is almost double the sum in the Estimate. What contract services were included in the additional €2 million worth of costs incurred by the Department in 2019? The Estimate called for €3.8 million. That figure was budgeted for. The real expenditure was €6.8 million.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(9 Dec 2020)

Verona Murphy: What were the incidental expenses?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(9 Dec 2020)

Verona Murphy: I thought legal fees were already accounted for. Perhaps the Comptroller and Auditor General could comment on that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(9 Dec 2020)

Verona Murphy: I do not wish to cut the witness off. I understand that the subhead includes more than training development. The heading refers to incidental expenses. The budget was €3.8 million and the expenditure was €6.8 million. For the benefit of the better understanding of the committee, Mr. Clifford might submit a breakdown of that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(9 Dec 2020)

Verona Murphy: Can Mr. Clifford provide a breakdown?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(9 Dec 2020)

Verona Murphy: I thank the witness. If expenditure runs over by €3 million it is best for the Committee of Public Accounts to know why.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(9 Dec 2020)

Verona Murphy: Was the Comptroller and Auditor General going to come in on the legal fees question?

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