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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (2 Feb 2017)

Josepha Madigan: We do not know the reasons for that.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (2 Feb 2017)

Josepha Madigan: We need to find out.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (2 Feb 2017)

Josepha Madigan: In two week's time, the Chairman expects the final document -----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Josepha Madigan: I thank Mr. Donnellan, Mr. Waters and their team for coming before the committee. Picking up from what Deputy Cullinane was saying, I was struck by what Mr. Donnellan said about prisons being the new lunatic asylums. It is difficult to hear that in terms of the morale of the prison staff. No more than a parent looking after a child - he or she must be in a good place in order to rear the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Josepha Madigan: That is very positive to hear. I think Mr. Donnellan or Mr. Waters mentioned recidivism - I can never pronounce that word - and the fact that it has seen a reduction to 45% and that the norm in the Nordic countries is 35%. These matters are all interlinked. If we are to go in the right direction, that is the way to do it. I am talking about the rehabilitation not just of prisoners, but...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Josepha Madigan: It is recent enough.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Josepha Madigan: Was a receipt given?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Josepha Madigan: Was it given to the registrar on the day?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Josepha Madigan: I ask Mr. Donnellan to forget what typically happens. In this particular instance, has an investigation been carried out?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Josepha Madigan: Is it also under investigation internally?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Josepha Madigan: There are money laundering issues as well.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Josepha Madigan: Obviously, €10,000 is a significant amount of money.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Josepha Madigan: I totally appreciate that, but this case is recent enough-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Josepha Madigan: -----and we have to ensure that it does not happen again.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Josepha Madigan: The Irish Prison Service has its own inquiry going on.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Josepha Madigan: The Comptroller and Auditor General mentioned non-compliance regarding national procurement guidelines. I am not sure which page of the report this is on, but if one looks at the table for 2012 to 2015, in 2012, for example, there were ten instances at a cost of €959,300, and if one jumps to 2015, there were 38 incidents at a cost of over €7.9 million. That is effectively...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Josepha Madigan: What does Mr. Donnellan think is the non-compliance that the Comptroller and Auditor General-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Josepha Madigan: Why were they not tendered out to the market?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Josepha Madigan: They are made by an existing supplier.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Josepha Madigan: Would it not be better-----

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