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Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: -----but there has to be negotiation and mediation. Mr. Gloster is the CEO, and he is a bit Drew Harris here for me. It is up to Mr. Gloster to get that engagement going. I will not make any disparaging comments about who is paid what but I lay this at Mr. Gloster's door. It is his job to get that engagement going. I do not know what the figures will be for next year but I do not want...

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: Sorry. There are no dentists operating the dental treatment scheme in Wexford.

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: When did you last meet them?

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: We could probably go further than five minutes Chair. It is only 12 noon.

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: If we try eight minutes each.

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: When did Mr. Walsh last meet in a proper stakeholder engagement with the dentists, the IDA?

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: Who does?

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: Then it comes back to the HSE?

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: Will Mr. Walsh find that out or do we need to write-----

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: Will Mr. Walsh come back to the committee with that information? That would be great.

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: Is Mr. Mulvany over the capital infrastructure?

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: I am wondering about the 97-bed unit for Wexford that has been spun out of existence for ten years. Are we anywhere near getting the budget for it?

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: Nobody.

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: Please. I would like an update on it.

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: To go back to dentists, I said earlier that the amount of spending in health is a serious concern. Mr. Mulvany has been in that chair for a long time. In case I made an error earlier, I wish to make a correction in relation to dental maxillofacial surgery. I said there were 161 children waiting for 60 months. There are actually 618 children waiting. I do not know how much it costs but if...

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: This is the HSE, the orthodontic service and all of that.

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: That is like saying we do not have a mechanic to fix a new car. What will we do, just leave it there? We talk about retention and recruitment every year. For many of these children there is no other way of doing this. It is not affordable unless they go through the National Treatment Purchase Fund, NTPF. How long does someone have to wait before being able to access the NTPF for these...

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: How long had they been waiting before that happened?

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: Mr. Walsh is saying 1,500. There are 618 children waiting in Wexford alone.

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: There have been 161 waiting for 60 months; 113 have been waiting for between 48 and 60 months; and 82 have been waiting between 36 and 48 months. This is cruel and if we do eventually sign up to the applicable section of the UN charter when it comes to children's rights, we will be sued left, right and centre for this type of delay. Is the HSE writing to any of these children? In the case...

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