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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Health Insurance Sector: Discussion (25 Oct 2012)

Jerry Buttimer: Yes, but it is €104 million-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Health Insurance Sector: Discussion (25 Oct 2012)

Jerry Buttimer: Yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Health Insurance Sector: Discussion (25 Oct 2012)

Jerry Buttimer: To go back, lest the witnesses think the committee is pinning it on them, I fully subscribe to what Mr. Clancy just said. Consultants dilly-dally about doing the proper paperwork to the tune of €73 million. I still ask whether the four witnesses are telling us they do not store bills to play for time.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Health Insurance Sector: Discussion (25 Oct 2012)

Jerry Buttimer: So that we can come back at our quarterly meeting in November the point is-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Health Insurance Sector: Discussion (25 Oct 2012)

Jerry Buttimer: I am not laying the blame anywhere. I want to see efficiencies whereby money is paid to the State so we can see the money coming to the health budget rather than lying somewhere in a vacuum. This is the point I am trying to make.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Health Insurance Sector: Discussion (25 Oct 2012)

Jerry Buttimer: Some hospital managers have a different viewpoint.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Health Insurance Sector: Discussion (25 Oct 2012)

Jerry Buttimer: I am glad we have had this discussion.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Health Insurance Sector: Discussion (25 Oct 2012)

Jerry Buttimer: In the interest of balance I should put on record that the Department and the three private insurance companies, excluding the one which is new to the market, have agreed a process for 2012 which benefits the State to the tune of €125 million. I should make this clear to be fair to the insurers. However, to ordinary people the amount of money which remains uncollected sounds huge....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Health Insurance Sector: Discussion (25 Oct 2012)

Jerry Buttimer: They are expensive.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Health Insurance Sector: Discussion (25 Oct 2012)

Jerry Buttimer: Is Dr. Carr saying that there is no need for the extra 100 beds in Cork?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Health Insurance Sector: Discussion (25 Oct 2012)

Jerry Buttimer: Does Deputy Kelleher wish to contribute on that point?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Health Insurance Sector: Discussion (25 Oct 2012)

Jerry Buttimer: I would rather if the Deputy did not.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Health Insurance Sector: Discussion (25 Oct 2012)

Jerry Buttimer: I will call on the Deputy again at the end of the meeting.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Health Insurance Sector: Discussion (25 Oct 2012)

Jerry Buttimer: Briefly, please.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Health Insurance Sector: Discussion (25 Oct 2012)

Jerry Buttimer: Three further members wish to contribute.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Health Insurance Sector: Discussion (25 Oct 2012)

Jerry Buttimer: We will move on.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Health Insurance Sector: Discussion (25 Oct 2012)

Jerry Buttimer: That is a fair point.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Health Insurance Sector: Discussion (25 Oct 2012)

Jerry Buttimer: Absolutely.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Health Insurance Sector: Discussion (25 Oct 2012)

Jerry Buttimer: Deputy Kelleher had a point about a developer or provider incurring the cost rather than the health insurers.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Health Insurance Sector: Discussion (25 Oct 2012)

Jerry Buttimer: Of course. The developer would be the risk taker, buying equipment and hiring staff.

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