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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Health Insurance Sector: Discussion (25 Oct 2012)

Jerry Buttimer: We will resume. I apologise to witnesses who have been waiting and to staff and members for the delay, due to a vote. I now call on Mr. Jim Dowdall, CEO of GloHealth, and welcome him and Ms Teresa Kelly Oroz to the meeting.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Health Insurance Sector: Discussion (25 Oct 2012)

Jerry Buttimer: I thank Mr. Dowdall. I welcome Mr. Sean Egan, chief executive officer, and his colleagues, Ms Alison Burns and Mr. John Armstong, of Aviva Health Insurance. I invite Mr. Egan to make an opening statement.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Health Insurance Sector: Discussion (25 Oct 2012)

Jerry Buttimer: Thank you, Mr. Egan. I welcome Mr. Dónal Clancy, managing director of Laya Healthcare, and Mr. David Muiry, head of global health at the Swiss Re Group. I thank them for their attendance and invite Mr. Clancy to make his presentation.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Health Insurance Sector: Discussion (25 Oct 2012)

Jerry Buttimer: Is a mobile telephone ringing? It is fine now and Mr. Clancy may proceed.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Health Insurance Sector: Discussion (25 Oct 2012)

Jerry Buttimer: It may have been. The Oireachtas is very sensitive.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Health Insurance Sector: Discussion (25 Oct 2012)

Jerry Buttimer: I thank all four insurers for their presentations and for the varying degrees of challenge and sobriety therein.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Health Insurance Sector: Discussion (25 Oct 2012)

Jerry Buttimer: According to information the committee has, as of the end of September, €204 million is due to the Health Service Executive, HSE, from private health insurance companies.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Health Insurance Sector: Discussion (25 Oct 2012)

Jerry Buttimer: Why has Mr. Dowdall not been given that information?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Health Insurance Sector: Discussion (25 Oct 2012)

Jerry Buttimer: From when?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Health Insurance Sector: Discussion (25 Oct 2012)

Jerry Buttimer: Is that going back quite a while, in terms of the calendar year?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Health Insurance Sector: Discussion (25 Oct 2012)

Jerry Buttimer: Is the health insurance consultative forum operational and can Mr. Dowdall do it through that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Health Insurance Sector: Discussion (25 Oct 2012)

Jerry Buttimer: My information is that you have met on six occasions as a group. Is that correct?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Health Insurance Sector: Discussion (25 Oct 2012)

Jerry Buttimer: We might come back to the matter as a stand-alone item in the new year.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Health Insurance Sector: Discussion (25 Oct 2012)

Jerry Buttimer: What would be the impact on what is coming into the Exchequer?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Health Insurance Sector: Discussion (25 Oct 2012)

Jerry Buttimer: I ask Mr. Clancy to continue. I will call Deputy Kelleher again later.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Health Insurance Sector: Discussion (25 Oct 2012)

Jerry Buttimer: Are you not part of the consultative forum? Has there not been engagement between the UHI group and that forum?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Health Insurance Sector: Discussion (25 Oct 2012)

Jerry Buttimer: I will come back but I want to bring in Deputies Conway and Byrne.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Health Insurance Sector: Discussion (25 Oct 2012)

Jerry Buttimer: Does Mr. O'Dwyer wish to reply?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Health Insurance Sector: Discussion (25 Oct 2012)

Jerry Buttimer: Is €104 million outstanding not an extraordinary amount of money irrespective of the time? It is money due to the State. What will an ordinary person at home who has paid his or her insurance premium say when he or she reads in the newspapers that €104 million is outstanding from the four private health insurers?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Health Insurance Sector: Discussion (25 Oct 2012)

Jerry Buttimer: I do not want to pick a fight, but are we saying the entire reason the €104 million is outstanding is due to the inefficiency of hospitals?

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