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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Report of the Review of the Operation of the Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act 2018: Discussion (31 May 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: That is the fact 40% do not register.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Report of the Review of the Operation of the Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act 2018: Discussion (31 May 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: How important does Ms O'Shea think it is, in terms of that barrier issue and timely access to care, that My Options would have a facility to arrange an appointment for someone?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Report of the Review of the Operation of the Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act 2018: Discussion (31 May 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: We are all used to that interface now where you can book an appointment online. I want finish out that piece about GPs. I was struck by the reference to obstruction and delay for non-providing GPs. Is that something which came up regularly in the work?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Report of the Review of the Operation of the Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act 2018: Discussion (31 May 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: To be clear, we have criminalisation in the law of those providing services right now.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Report of the Review of the Operation of the Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act 2018: Discussion (31 May 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: However, the obstruction and delay of referrals comes under the code of ethics.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Report of the Review of the Operation of the Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act 2018: Discussion (31 May 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: There is no criminal aspect to denying somebody service, but there is a criminal aspect to delivering service.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Report of the Review of the Operation of the Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act 2018: Discussion (31 May 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: Sorry, they can proceed with impunity if they obstruct?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Report of the Review of the Operation of the Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act 2018: Discussion (31 May 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: Yes, 100%.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Report of the Review of the Operation of the Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act 2018: Discussion (31 May 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: A GP or service provider is often in a position of power.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Report of the Review of the Operation of the Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act 2018: Discussion (31 May 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: It seems incredibly imbalanced. I would like to see criminalisation removed from the Act.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Report of the Review of the Operation of the Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act 2018: Discussion (31 May 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: If there is criminalisation on providing service but no criminalisation in denying service, that sounds massively unbalanced.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Report of the Review of the Operation of the Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act 2018: Discussion (31 May 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: Okay.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Report of the Review of the Operation of the Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act 2018: Discussion (31 May 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: Oh my God. Seven?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Report of the Review of the Operation of the Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act 2018: Discussion (31 May 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: She has no recourse really. Not in practice.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Report of the Review of the Operation of the Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act 2018: Discussion (31 May 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: Did she report?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Report of the Review of the Operation of the Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act 2018: Discussion (31 May 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: Of course.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Report of the Review of the Operation of the Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act 2018: Discussion (31 May 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: That is an appalling story. As I understand it, the 2021 figures for people travelling were just over 200. At the end of 2022 it looked like it would be more than 300. Does Ms O'Shea more current figures?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Report of the Review of the Operation of the Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act 2018: Discussion (31 May 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: Would Ms O'Shea accept that, at the end of Covid, numbers are returning up to a certain level?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Report of the Review of the Operation of the Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act 2018: Discussion (31 May 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: If action on this is delayed for another 12 months, for example, would we expect to see something in the region of between 200 and 300 people being forced to travel to another country to receive care?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Report of the Review of the Operation of the Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act 2018: Discussion (31 May 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: You would accept-----

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