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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Teagasc has referenced a study from the UK that confirmed there was no greater danger in the responsible person prescribing something compared with a vet. There was no proof it was more dangerous. Has the Department looked at working with the responsible persons, such as through a course or whatever? We are all in favour of ensuring we keep on top of all this - everyone is responsible in...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Does Mr. O'Mahony have a concern, in light of what I outlined earlier, that about the loss of livelihood among other co-operatives, pharmacists or whatever, and about the situation for farmers? Given the losses already among co-operatives and pharmacists, there is a huge knock-on effect here. Do our guests realise that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Mr. O'Mahony seems to be talking in the past tense about the responsible person. Has the decision been made? We as a committee need to know this. I will be blunt about it: if the responsible persons are taken out of the legislation, I will not support any legislation that comes before us as a committee.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: I thank the Minister of State for attending. I wish to clarify something. Is he saying no decision has been made yet on whether the responsible person can prescribe?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: My understanding is legal opinion was given to the effect that it would be possible for the responsible person to do so, given that a responsible person in Northern Ireland can.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Has the Minister of State not seen the latest opinion?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: I am sorry for interrupting but can they prescribe it down there if they are recognised?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Even though it is the same Single Market the officials are talking about.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: I thought they were in the EU as well, or recognised in the EU.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: You can buy it down there if you have a prescription but you cannot get it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: I want to come in on this because a few things need to be clarified. Over the past six or seven months vets have called meetings in hotels throughout the country. We see vets giving us biscuits and sandwiches and all different stuff while they tell us what is coming down the line. It was made very clear to farmers in many places throughout the country that vets would be calling out to the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Who looks at the legal opinion? Is it the veterinary section or is there a senior counsel involved?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: So the Attorney General is going to look at the opinion? Is the veterinary section not going to be looking at it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Is it the Attorney General or legal services?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Why would the Minister of State decide not to take it to the Attorney General to get an opinion on it and instead get legal services in the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine to look at it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: I understand that, but would the Minister of State not make sure?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Will the Minister of State give an undertaking to the committee that he will do that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: I do not know the answer to this question, so the Minister of State might educate me. Is the legal services team in the Department made up of solicitors or barristers?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Dr. Corkery made a point earlier that the HPRA was on about antiparasitic resistance. When did it become a problem as far as the Minister of State is aware?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: In 2014, Dr. O'Shaughnessy wrote a report about the serious problem with antiparasitic resistance. It was roughly around the same time that the Brits wanted us to chip in with them, according to my understanding, in going the way that they were going to make sure that basically the competent person could give out the medicines. There was a Department document written at that stage that...

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