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Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Did either of them express an opinion on it?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Will Mr. O'Brien clarify that for me?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: The three monkeys who see no evil and hear no evil come to mind at this point.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I do not mean to be derogatory but that is what springs to mind.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I did not mean it and I take it back. However, it is an image that springs to mind when I observe the officials being asked who said what to whom. It is not my way to be derogatory. I am asking a question on a report. The report was commissioned as a result of the whistleblowers and service provider pointing out to the health board that there was inadequate funding. Is that right? They...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Good. In an appearance in front of the Committee of Public Accounts before the last election, Mr. Pat Healy of the health board said there was an increase in funding to the service provider. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: It had increased.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Mr. O'Brien-----

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I understand what Mr. O'Brien is saying but I am trying to ask questions on this and I just want answers. This arose because the service provider said it was not being funded properly.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: The proceedings in the High Court were initiated but it was later settled. There was no mediated agreement and High Court proceedings had to be initiated first.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: It has to be ruled on by the court.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I understand that but it is not my question. High Court proceedings were issued.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Different words were used. Was Mr. O'Brien here in 2014 as head of the Health Service Executive?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I meant to ask whether he was employed by the HSE at that time.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Can Mr. O'Brien say whether there was an internal audit on the cost of the Grace case in 2014?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: If there was, was the service provider consulted?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: When will the report be available to us? Will it be available by the end of the month?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I thank Mr. O'Brien. He is very welcome. This is a very good exercise and I welcome both of the officials who accompany Mr. O'Brien. It is very good that the Health Service Executive is before the committee to account. The HSE has had a clean audit, which is good, but it is subject to two very serious modifications. I shall come to those, and the section 38 and section 39 issues, but...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: It was €14.974 billion. In Mr. O'Brien's opinion, is that an adequate amount to provide a public health service?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Can I stop Mr. O'Brien there for a moment. I agree with him about that and we are part of the Dáil and we know that. Is the budget that the HSE receives sufficient to deliver the service or is it inevitable collateral damage that patients are sitting on trolleys for two or three days in hospitals in Galway? On occasion, it varies up and down but we can accept that it could be two days...

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