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Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Imelda Munster: Is there anybody present who could explain that?

Written Answers — Department of Rural and Community Development: Rural Schemes (23 Jun 2022)

Imelda Munster: 463. To ask the Minister for Rural and Community Development the amount allocated to the town and village renewal scheme since 2016, by year; the amount returned to her Department by local authority; and if she will make a statement on the matter. [33271/22]

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Imelda Munster: I wish to return to the question about the financial statements of local authorities and the fact there is no requirement for a statement of internal control as is required by the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform. Is that not a bit odd? The requirement is obviously there because it is considered best practice to meet the highest standards when auditing public expenditure. Is...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Imelda Munster: I will ask the Comptroller and Auditor General the same question. Does he think that the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform's code of practice represents best practice if one is to meet the highest standards? I am sure that is how Mr. McCarthy would do it, for reasons of transparency, etc. Does Mr. McCarthy not find it a bit odd that local authorities do not have to do that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Imelda Munster: I thank the Comptroller and Auditor General. Would Mr. Doyle have any further comment on that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Imelda Munster: Local authorities' audits, when presented to the local authority, involve weaknesses in relation to the production of internal audit reports, timelines of management responses to auditors and a perceived lack of urgency in implementing recommendations that have been agreed. Mr. Doyle said a few minutes ago that the Department does not have the powers for disciplinary procedures, for example,...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Imelda Munster: Would Mr. Doyle accept that the auditing of local government expenditure is most clearly not as robust as that of the Comptroller and Auditor General?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Imelda Munster: It is not as robust.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Imelda Munster: Given the Comptroller and Auditor General's previous response, would Mr. Doyle still insist that it is as robust?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Imelda Munster: Okay. If I can move on to non-compliant procurement, what is the current requirement for the disclosure of that in the financial statement of local authorities? Mr. Doyle said earlier, but he did not give much information. What is the overall percentage of the budget with local authorities that would be non-compliant procurement?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Imelda Munster: I would be grateful if Mr. Doyle could give us the total value of that as well. How is it recorded by local authorities and how is it reported to the Department? Does the Department keep track of it? Is it of interest to the Department? Has the Department any concerns about it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Imelda Munster: Would the Department have no idea of even the percentage of the overall budget?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Imelda Munster: Mr. Doyle might get those figures to us then.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Imelda Munster: The National Oversight and Audit Commission, NOAC, and the Local Government Audit Service had agreed to appear before the committee and they have since refused to appear. Was Mr. Doyle given reasons or did he ask?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Imelda Munster: I say it in the context that the Exchequer has given more than €6 billion in funding. I am sure Mr. Doyle can appreciate that we would like to discuss the funding and have some oversight, and see that proper practise, etc., has been adhered to. Mr. Doyle said they are independent. That is fair enough. We constantly hear references - I was a member of a local authority - to the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Imelda Munster: Would Mr. Doyle comment on that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Imelda Munster: On No. 1281B, the correspondence from RTÉ indicated that the scope section does not have any remit in respect of pensions or holiday liabilities. I ask that we seek further clarification from RTÉ on whether these matters will form part of the discussions with workers once the Revenue and scope section investigations have concluded. Did the Chairman reference No. 1290B?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Imelda Munster: On No. 1290B, in fairness to the Department, that is probably the first response to any query the committee made regarding this issue whereby we have actually been provided with useful information that we had requested. I ask that we request further information, particularly on how many people in total are being reviewed. How many of them have a determination being made with regard to that...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Imelda Munster: I asked for a similar update in early September. I also asked that we have the information I requested in the meantime.

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