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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Health and Social Care Professionals Act 2005 (Section 95(3)) (Variation of Title: Physical Therapist) Regulations 2018: Motion (24 Oct 2018)

Stephen Donnelly: My understanding in layperson's language is that essentially physiotherapy and physical therapy will now be interchangeable.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Health and Social Care Professionals Act 2005 (Section 95(3)) (Variation of Title: Physical Therapist) Regulations 2018: Motion (24 Oct 2018)

Stephen Donnelly: Once a person has the qualifications and is approved by CORU, the person is registered. Ms Walsh seemed to suggest physical therapists and physiotherapists are different.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Health and Social Care Professionals Act 2005 (Section 95(3)) (Variation of Title: Physical Therapist) Regulations 2018: Motion (24 Oct 2018)

Stephen Donnelly: Physiotherapists have additional training. I am unsure but I am guessing that within the areas of similarity there may be difference in training.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Health and Social Care Professionals Act 2005 (Section 95(3)) (Variation of Title: Physical Therapist) Regulations 2018: Motion (24 Oct 2018)

Stephen Donnelly: Is there not, therefore, room for some confusion? Let us suppose a member of the public walks into one of these therapists. Is it not useful to know who is a physiotherapist? I am unsure whether I have understood the briefing correctly. Maybe this is unfair and maybe they are more highly trained or trained in a different way. Is there potential for confusion or for the public to be...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Health and Social Care Professionals Act 2005 (Section 95(3)) (Variation of Title: Physical Therapist) Regulations 2018: Motion (24 Oct 2018)

Stephen Donnelly: The group who are physical therapists have training in one area. Are they allowed call themselves physiotherapists who have training in three areas?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Health and Social Care Professionals Act 2005 (Section 95(3)) (Variation of Title: Physical Therapist) Regulations 2018: Motion (24 Oct 2018)

Stephen Donnelly: What is the position for new physical therapists who graduate and begin to practise? Will they be allowed to call themselves physiotherapists?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Health and Social Care Professionals Act 2005 (Section 95(3)) (Variation of Title: Physical Therapist) Regulations 2018: Motion (24 Oct 2018)

Stephen Donnelly: The physical therapy training is gone, essentially. It is now physiotherapy. Is that correct?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Health and Social Care Professionals Act 2005 (Section 95(3)) (Variation of Title: Physical Therapist) Regulations 2018: Motion (24 Oct 2018)

Stephen Donnelly: There are approximately 300 practitioners. Is that right?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Health and Social Care Professionals Act 2005 (Section 95(3)) (Variation of Title: Physical Therapist) Regulations 2018: Motion (24 Oct 2018)

Stephen Donnelly: Presumably they can call themselves physiotherapists.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Health and Social Care Professionals Act 2005 (Section 95(3)) (Variation of Title: Physical Therapist) Regulations 2018: Motion (24 Oct 2018)

Stephen Donnelly: Yet, they can call themselves physiotherapists. Is that right?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Health and Social Care Professionals Act 2005 (Section 95(3)) (Variation of Title: Physical Therapist) Regulations 2018: Motion (24 Oct 2018)

Stephen Donnelly: Is there any onus on them? I understand they are signing up to a code of conduct to agree to operate within the stream they are trained in. Is there any way for a member of the public to know when he walks in whether the person has trained in one stream or in three streams?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Health and Social Care Professionals Act 2005 (Section 95(3)) (Variation of Title: Physical Therapist) Regulations 2018: Motion (24 Oct 2018)

Stephen Donnelly: How many physiotherapists are there?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Health and Social Care Professionals Act 2005 (Section 95(3)) (Variation of Title: Physical Therapist) Regulations 2018: Motion (24 Oct 2018)

Stephen Donnelly: This is relevant for approximately 300.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Health and Social Care Professionals Act 2005 (Section 95(3)) (Variation of Title: Physical Therapist) Regulations 2018: Motion (24 Oct 2018)

Stephen Donnelly: The Department has no concern about the public. Is that so?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Overspend on the Health Budget 2018: Discussion (24 Oct 2018)

Stephen Donnelly: I thank our guests for both their time and their statements. Obviously, the overrun this year, at €700 million, is huge. We will see what it reaches by the end of the year. Not only is it a vast amount of money that we must vote through this year, it also has serious implications for next year and the following years. The budget documentation has provisioned €625 million for...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Overspend on the Health Budget 2018: Discussion (24 Oct 2018)

Stephen Donnelly: No; I wish to stay on this topic. With the greatest of respect, that is not a reasonable answer. Demographics are predictable and should never lead to overruns. We know how many people are living in the country and have quite a good idea of how many will be in it next year. Demographics are not unforeseen and are planned for in any budget. Therefore, demographic changes cannot be the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Overspend on the Health Budget 2018: Discussion (24 Oct 2018)

Stephen Donnelly: I apologise for interrupting. I know that Mr. Mulvany is trying to answer the question in detail and not trying to avoid it, but I am asking a higher level question. He has taken one year which is perfectly reasonable and itemising the spend in it. My question concerns the fact that up to 2013, for example, the overruns were in the region of €100 million to €200 million, but...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Overspend on the Health Budget 2018: Discussion (24 Oct 2018)

Stephen Donnelly: Yes, it is. A budget was agreed to and voted through by the Dáil to deliver a service plan, to which an additional €500 million was added.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Overspend on the Health Budget 2018: Discussion (24 Oct 2018)

Stephen Donnelly: I appreciate that and know that Mr. Mulvany can detail all of the information. If he was running a coffee shop, a hospital, a health care system or anything else for which he had a budget, saw that he was spending over a certain amount a year and that it had jumped by a factor of two or three and stayed at that level, he would know that something had happened. Anyone in Ireland who is...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Overspend on the Health Budget 2018: Discussion (24 Oct 2018)

Stephen Donnelly: Why does the HSE not hold a contingency provision?

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