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Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Imelda Munster: Mr. Gunning cannot categorically rule out that it could be 2025 before the hospital is functioning as a hospital and is open and running.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Imelda Munster: I will move on. The witnesses gave us the construction inflation costs. The estimated inflation cost for 2022 is €30 million. If that happens, can we expect similar amounts for 2023 right through to 2025?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Imelda Munster: Does Mr. Gunning perceive the inflation cost for 2023 to be more than the projected cost of €30 million for 2022?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Imelda Munster: Fair enough. Is €1.7 billion still the latest estimated total cost the board is willing to provide to the committee?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Imelda Munster: Does that figure include or exclude the €585 million in additional costs claimed by the contractor?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Imelda Munster: We have the €1.43 billion, the €585 million in existing claims, plus the inflation costs, which are €50 million at present but could rocket to €100 million or more. Is it fair to say the maximum cost could be as much as €2.4 billion or €2.5 billion?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Imelda Munster: I accept that, but if it transpires they are a cost-----

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Imelda Munster: -----and that cost is €585 million, that is additional. That is an extra cost.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Imelda Munster: Mr. Gunning cannot categorically rule it out either.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Imelda Munster: If the worst came to the worst, and we hope it does not, that €585 million will be an additional cost. There will be the €1.43 billion and if the worst comes to the worst, the claims will amount to €585 million. On top of that, there will be construction inflation and the additional costs associated with equipment, etc. as outlined earlier. There is a very real...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Imelda Munster: But the cost is heading in that direction.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Imelda Munster: It is our job to protect the public purse and to monitor spending. Let us be honest, a dog's dinner has been made of the project thus far. There is a very real possibility that this hospital, which is on track to be the most expensive hospital in the world, might achieve that status and more by eventually costing in the region of €2.5 billion.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Imelda Munster: I hope that the next time Mr. Gunning appears before the committee he does not have to tell us that the cost has risen as I have predicted. The brand new hospital will be state-of-the-art, which is great. Everyone is looking forward to its opening, and the facilities it will offer. The Sláintecare reforms envisage ending the practice of treating private patients in public hospitals....

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Imelda Munster: Fair enough.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Imelda Munster: That is fine. So, there will not be an issue with returning-----

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Imelda Munster: If I could just finish on this point. Am I correct in saying that according to Dr. Curtis, there will not be an issue, contractual or otherwise, in returning the rooms to public use?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Imelda Munster: Does Dr. Curtis agree that the use of rooms for private practice flies in the face of the Sláintecare recommendations?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Imelda Munster: Is it the case that there is no legacy agreement that the hospital will have to abide by as a brand spanking new public hospital?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Imelda Munster: The fact that the rooms are identical in style or design is not the point. Dr. Curtis mentioned that it was part of the contractual requirements.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Imelda Munster: I will finish on this point. Dr. Curtis mentioned that the use of rooms for private outpatient clinics was part of the contractual requirements. Where did that requirement come from?

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