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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Impact of Peat Shortages on the Horticulture Industry: Discussion (Resumed) (12 Oct 2022)

Jackie Cahill: I remind all witnesses, members and those in the Gallery to turn off their mobile phones. Today's meeting is the continued examination of the horticultural peat supply. The committee will hear from representatives of Growing Media Ireland, the Commercial Mushroom Producers Co-operative Society Limited and the Kildare Growers Group. The Department of Housing, Local Government and Heritage...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Impact of Peat Shortages on the Horticulture Industry: Discussion (Resumed) (12 Oct 2022)

Jackie Cahill: I thank Mr. Neenan and call Ms McManus.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Impact of Peat Shortages on the Horticulture Industry: Discussion (Resumed) (12 Oct 2022)

Jackie Cahill: That was a comprehensive answer for Senator Boyhan.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Impact of Peat Shortages on the Horticulture Industry: Discussion (Resumed) (12 Oct 2022)

Jackie Cahill: I wish to make clear that only one has refused. Officials from the other Departments will be here in two weeks' time.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Impact of Peat Shortages on the Horticulture Industry: Discussion (Resumed) (12 Oct 2022)

Jackie Cahill: There is no point in Deputy Carthy breaking a habit.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Jackie Cahill: Apologies have been received from Deputy Kehoe. I remind members, witnesses and those in the Public Gallery to turn off their mobile phones. The purpose of today's meeting is to continue the pre-legislative scrutiny of the general scheme of the veterinary medicinal products, medicated feed and fertilisers regulation Bill 2022. The committee will hear from the Minister of State at the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Jackie Cahill: I propose that we take questions on the first part of the Bill before moving on to the second part.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Jackie Cahill: Senator Daly and Deputies Carthy and Fitzmaurice wish to ask supplementary questions.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Jackie Cahill: I want to make a point and I have not spoken all evening. The Department is speaking about 12-month prescriptions that will be of benefit to reduce resistance in animals. In actual fact a 12-month prescription, if given by a vet, would be counter-productive to what the Department is trying to achieve. If vets give the full possible coverage that farmers need for the year they would be...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Jackie Cahill: They will not do it and it is wrong. To say that on one day of the year farmers will know what they will need for the year is wrong. If, for example, there was an offer for something that farmers might need it would be counter-productive to what we are trying to achieve. Let us cut out the nonsense and be square. A 12-month prescription will not happen in reality. If it does happen in...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Jackie Cahill: Senator Daly has been very quiet all evening.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Jackie Cahill: In fairness, Mr. Corkery is telling us that the Department is bringing in legislation to try to reduce the use of different remedies and that once a year a veterinarian is going to give the Department a foolscap page of what he or she might want. Let us be honest and fair; Mr. Corkery might think that is a constructive way of going about reducing the use of antibiotics. We take milk samples...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Jackie Cahill: No, they will not do it. We have seen that if one doses for fluke and it is not there, it creates resistance. There is no point in saying it does not. Unless samples are being taken, however, we will not know whether the level of fluke is there. Mr. Corkery is telling us that the Department is going to hand a farmer access to all this instead of going down the route of him or her going to...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Jackie Cahill: We have been very consistent this evening. We all want to see this proposed legislation achieve its objectives-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Jackie Cahill: -----and we want to do it in a cost-effective manner. It is in all our interests to reduce the use and make sure we do not get resistance. In practice, however, a 12-month prescription cannot work.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Jackie Cahill: We have spent two and a half hours on the first half of this legislation. I think it is clear that there is unease here as to how this is going to work in practice. The Minister of State was very attentive in listening to the members. I trust he will go back and examine the legal opinion that the Department has, and take on board the views that members have expressed. Next, we will look...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Jackie Cahill: I am sorry but we did not have to report about fertiliser up to now at all.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Jackie Cahill: No, I have no argument on that. I accept the reason it is being done but it is not reducing bureaucracy.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Jackie Cahill: I thank the Minister of State and his officials for participating in this meeting, which has been a long session. The next public meeting of this committee will take place on Wednesday, 12 October at 5.30 p.m., when the committee will continue its examination of the peat supply in the horticulture sector. As there is no further business, the meeting now stands adjourned.

Written Answers — Department of Housing, Planning, and Local Government: State Bodies (13 Oct 2022)

Jackie Cahill: 230. To ask the Minister for Housing, Planning, and Local Government if there is a timeframe for when a referendum will be held on the ownership of Irish Water; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [50778/22]

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