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Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Report Stage (Resumed) (10 Dec 2019)

Gerry Horkan: There are groupings. This amendment has not been discussed. Amendments Nos. 13, 49 to 53, inclusive, and 59 are related, amendment No. 50 is a physical alternative to amendment No. 49 and amendment No. 51 is a physical alternative to amendment No. 50. Therefore, amendments Nos. 13, 49 to 53, inclusive, and 59 may be discussed together by agreement. Is that agreed? Agreed.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Report Stage (Resumed) (10 Dec 2019)

Gerry Horkan: The Senator is asking for amendment No. 13 to be separated from the rest of the group.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Report Stage (Resumed) (10 Dec 2019)

Gerry Horkan: Is it agreed that amendment No. 13 be separated from the rest of the group?

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Report Stage (Resumed) (10 Dec 2019)

Gerry Horkan: Is it agreed that amendment No. 13 be separated from the rest of the group?

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Report Stage (Resumed) (10 Dec 2019)

Gerry Horkan: Either there is consensus to separate amendment No. 13 or there is not. As I do not have consensus to separate it, the amendment will have to remain part of the group.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Report Stage (Resumed) (10 Dec 2019)

Gerry Horkan: The advice I have is that amendment which have been grouped cannot be separated.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Report Stage (Resumed) (10 Dec 2019)

Gerry Horkan: I accept the point the Senator is making and she has been here a lot longer than I.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Report Stage (Resumed) (10 Dec 2019)

Gerry Horkan: The Senator was very young when she started but she is still here a good while.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Report Stage (Resumed) (10 Dec 2019)

Gerry Horkan: I am also trying to facilitate all the Members here and even those who are not. Generally speaking, in my time in the Chair, if agreement for a grouping was not accepted, we separated the amendments.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Report Stage (Resumed) (10 Dec 2019)

Gerry Horkan: As Chair, I am ruling that amendment No. 13 be separated from the rest of the group.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Report Stage (Resumed) (10 Dec 2019)

Gerry Horkan: I will certainly have to let the Minister make his point.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Report Stage (Resumed) (10 Dec 2019)

Gerry Horkan: It is fair to state that it is not a political decision as to what is or is not grouped. The matter is decided by the Bills Office.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Report Stage (Resumed) (10 Dec 2019)

Gerry Horkan: If Senator Conway would allow me to conclude, I will let him come in at that point if he wishes.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Report Stage (Resumed) (10 Dec 2019)

Gerry Horkan: The Minister was making the same point that I am more or less making.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Report Stage (Resumed) (10 Dec 2019)

Gerry Horkan: Generally speaking, the Bills Office issues a directive. That makes sense from its perspective. It does not do it in any party political way. I was facilitating the Members who said they were not happy with amendment No. 13 being part of the group. There is a grouping and, as Acting Chair, I rule that we will deal with them all together, which means that people can speak to amendments...

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Report Stage (Resumed) (10 Dec 2019)

Gerry Horkan: I suggested that initially but it is unfortunate that it not a matter for the House. A grouping has been put forward.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Report Stage (Resumed) (10 Dec 2019)

Gerry Horkan: To be fair, the Minister was not being political.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Report Stage (Resumed) (10 Dec 2019)

Gerry Horkan: No. Senator Bacik is speaking.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Report Stage (Resumed) (10 Dec 2019)

Gerry Horkan: Senator Conway should allow Senator Bacik to conclude.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Report Stage (Resumed) (10 Dec 2019)

Gerry Horkan: It is probably not a point of order on the Senator's part but I have to hear it before I can say that.

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